For the last couple of years now, Guitar Ted and I would occasionally have this conversation regarding the future of twentynineinches.com and, in a bigger scope, 29″ers et al. When 29er”s, once unique and new and exciting to a lot of people who found bigger wheels right up their alleys (and streets and trails and race courses all over the place), had become ‘just a mountain bike’, what then? Would we as a website have a raison d’être? Who would care anymore? Should we then become twentynineinchesandtwentysevenfiveinchesandanyotherinches.com? Or should we just shut of the lights and go home?
And in some ways we are there right now; that point in history where 29″ers are very common place. If you looked at the frenetic pace in 2014 with most of the industry rushing towards all things 27.5″, you might conclude 29″ers have “jumped the shark” or, as one industry wag once said (who happens to love riding a RIP9 RDO, last we spoke), “29ers are dead…stick a fork in them”, or something like that. Well Fonzie might have been a 29″er rider at heart…dunno…and the sharks may be circling as I write this, picking off the weak and poorly designed big wheeled bikes as well as the riders who bought the wrong bike for the wrong reasons…”Well, everyone else was buying them!”, but DEAD does not in any way describe 29″ers. I see them as a viable and exciting wheel size for the near, and likely, the far off future.
Consider the recent Enduro craze. I think the format, as I understand it, is pretty cool, that being a course that demands an ‘all-round’ rider to take the checkered flag. And in this new focus, which lends itself well to bigger travel bikes and a bit smaller wheel for packaging purposes, one would think that 29″ers are off the back. But then we have something like the Specialized Enduro in the 29″ wheel size that continues to win over magazine editors, test monkeys, and average Joes all over the globe. Look at the new variety of 29″ers that are slacker, shorter, and have less travel, like the Evil Bikes ‘The Following’…120mmR/130mmF, adjustable, well designed, and, if what I hear is true, amazingly fun to ride. What 29″ers are really good at is doing more with less, and less travel can perk up a bike very nicely when it’s rolling on wagon wheels.
Is there a mad rush to 27.5″ racing hard tails? I would be surprised to find out that is so and unless you are really short, just climb smooth roads all day, OR your name rhymes with ‘Nino’, a carbon 29″er racing hard tail will be flat out amazing and will not beat you up or slow you down.
And we all know how well 29″ wheels work for the adventure/endurance set. The king.
What I think we will see, and conversations with some industry folks seems to bear this out, is a slow swing back to refining 29er”s so they will do what they do best and have less of the drawbacks that they are known for. As far as I know, the Santa Cruz Tall Boy was (and still may be) the best selling bike across that companies’ line of bikes, including all other models COMBINED. Think Ibis is swimming in left-over Ripleys? Not from what I hear. The pendulum will always swing to the extreme ‘new thing’ as that is what drives the industry and frankly what makes sites like ours tic-toc. But when the pendulum swings back to center, the 29″er will still be a big, tall, sweet spot for the majority of riders in a majority of conditions we actually ride in. Not for every one, and not for everywhere, but the fat middle of the bell curve is 29″ tall and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
However, that said, the original question remains…”Where do WE, as in TNI.com, go from here?”
Good question.
c_g and I are working all this out and likely you will see some new things on the site as the year progresses. It is likely you will see some new wheel sizes, or at least tires sizes. I am very excited about the new ‘+’ size movement. Not only is 29+ a very interesting, if very niche, development, 27.5+ is going to be all over the place very soon and we will be happy to be a part of that. The ability to run 29″ in a ‘normal’ tire size and 27+ in the wider tire size on the same bike has a ton of appeal and you will be seeing dedicated 27+ bikes as well. This is going to be a big deal. You can quote us. Besides the Plus movement, will you see a full fat tire’d experience on the pages of TNI.com? You can count on it. And if granny gear decides to expand his cycling quiver with a gravel-adventure based bike, you just might hear about that too. It’s a big world out there and we like riding on it.
All of us do not ride just to have more ‘stuff’ in our lives, although we at TNI.com will continue to test and review products that come along so that the average Joe and Jill can make informed decisions on how to spend hard earned money. You can count on more of the same in that regard…longer term evaluations and honest, open thoughts on what we like and do not like and why. But really we ride because we love to ride; we love what it brings into our lives and the lives of others. And we will be looking to bring a bit more adventure-based articles to the site. I am more excited about that than any other thing, really.
We will be looking to add a new coat of paint to the site and push out some walls too to add some function and clarity to the reader’s experience. If there is anything you feel could benefit the site, feel free to drop us a note and we will check to see if it is technically possible to incorporate it.
I think that is about it, but stay tuned to this channel for 2015…you never know what may come along.
And if you have any suggestions, hit us with a comment or an email (in the Contact Us page).
Hi CG,
It is interesting times, it’s not just the diameter
size change coming through, it’s everything, hub, rim and tire sizes getting fatter, HT angles getting slacker etc. Pivot just brought out a new HT frame to fit all wheel/tire sizes, he should send you one to review hopefully.
I for one will read it all, but, for the riding i do, 29″ SS is my weapon of choice to slay the trials.
cheers
PS TNI reviews are always more thorough. I would like few more video’s added to the reviews.
Sorry ment Hi GG
cheers
@DJ…We used to do a lot of videos and that is something that we discontinued. What would be your interest in a video? What content would you like to see?
gg
Hi GG,
I always like your videos, it just adds to another dimension, especially visually.
cheers
@DJ…We are considering bringing this back on a case by case basis, so maybe you will see my craggy face on video again soon.
gg
First… Thanks GT for this site and your vision for it. It has become my respite from the drama and craziness of the forums at mtbreview. GT you’ll be missed. Thankfully this site is in excellent hands with your colleagues!
More adventure bikes/ rides etc. More gravel riding, It’s odd to me that the gravel stuff was not incorporated into this site more. One would never know of GTs gravel website while reading 29 inches.com . Why not?
Bring back the Cycliste.com (correct sp?). It was a welcome sub chapter of TNI.com. While mainstream now, 29 inchers got much of their early support from the contrarian types, the crossover types. 29ers are open source- conducive to many different flavors applications and expressions. Let’s see more of those flavors again. Bring back the “dirt bag cyclist” articles.
Ran out of space…. I love the content from Europe too.
@Moondoggy…Thank you for your kind words and suggestions. As far as the gravel site being isolated, I think GT was seeing the direction he was going to go and decided against co-branding, so to speak, since it was going to change soon.
I don’t see The Cyclist Site coming back, but we do intend to bring more adventure and passion to the site. Yes…Dirt Bagging…I had forgotten about that.
c_g is not going anywhere and he is, if anything, much more involved now than ever.
We will keep all this in mind.
GG
Good to hear Grannygear! I look forward to what’s coming down the pike. While I’m at it, how about a review of the Vassago Fisticuff? 🙂
@Moondoggy: Thanks for the compliments. (And that goes for all who have sent in nice comments about my tenure here. I appreciate all of those comments.)
Gravel- Well, this is Twenty Nine Inches, no? I felt it should stay reasonably within those boundaries that were set early on. Of course, we brought in a few “outside influences”- 650B, fat bikes, and the surrounding ephemera that we as off roaders have to have to make it work.
Many times we were roundly criticized for being “off topic”. It wasn’t easy to negotiate that narrow path! 🙂
The Cyclistsite was an effort by Grannygear and I to keep Twenty Nine Inches free from the “other stuff”, but then it was just incorporated here, and I think Grannygear has mentioned more “adventure based” content. Which if that happens, you will basically have the Cyclistsite AND Twenty Nine Inches all on one page. Boom! 🙂
Things are left in good hands here. And…….you’ll see things from me on every blue moon or so.
Thanks all!
@Moondoggy…I will pass that on to Vassago. Navy Mike still rides that Jabberwocky I sold him.
GG
I want to thank the crew for all your work over the years. I have been coming to the site for about 8 years now. My first 29er was an old G.F. rig. Fast forward and I have had several 29ers since then. All the guys I ride with are on 29ers and most are s.s.
29ers will be around for a long time, longer than me as I am just about to do #58 in the countdown.
Keep up the good work and continue with the stoke.
Cheers
N.W. s.s. er
A big movement that I feel is going to change standard tire sizing is going to be wider rims. Once people start buying wider rims it’s going to drive a bump in tire size and tire profile. I’ve made the leap to a 35mm carbon 29er rim and It exceeded my expectations. So much so that I wish I could squeeze a wider rim and higher volume tire on my bike. My fork and rear stays on my bike have plenty more room and if I could have a 40mm rim and a 2.6 tire it would be the icing on the cake! People are already squeezing 29plus tires on bikes and somewhere In between a 3.0 and 2.3 would broaden a standar niners capabilities even more. Kinda like a 9+.
Thanks to all the guys at TNI. I have always valued your informative, impartial and well written reviews. I used to check in everyday and find something relavent to me and my cycling. Nowadays I admit my visits are slightly less frequent and it can be some time between articles of specific interest.
I’m still with you and looking forward to the future. I too liked the video reports. Some ride reports would be interesting and happy for you to branch out slightly into 27.5+ etc. Mainstream product reviews (Specialized, Trek etc.) would be relavent to the new 29er mass market. These are the products we are buying nowadays.
Keep up the great job!
Hi!
I’m a fan of yours from norway. No matter what you do keep riding the bike and
Write about it. Nice to know this website!!!
Let me lob a grenade into this conversation with three “pearls”:
I enjoy the content and appreciate where your planning on going in 2015.
1) After riding a FS 27.5″ bike extensively for the past 18 months, I predict there will be a resurgence of the 29″ wheeled bikes. IMHO – they simply work better in most situations for the majority of cyclists.
2) The reality is that we’d probably be better served with 28″ and 30″ wheels as our options.
3) Finally, this observation – I would encourage the authors to consider elevating the intrinsic “value” of your content by using real names (vs. Guitar/Granny/etc).
You guys rock. Always my first stop when looking for gear reviews and all-around bike info. I trust your opinions inherently, as they thankfully minimize the marketing speak and seem to be honest impressions of a “normal” rider like myself. I truly appreciate the effort you have put into TNI.
Evolution is natural and you guys will find that next chapter that feels right for you. Whatever it is, I will tune in!
Please keep on with 29″ only. The reality is you could only do 29″ tire reviews and have enough content every year. (FYI, you need to be doing more tire reviews). As someone mentioned above, 27.5 is pretty much pure marketing. A well designed 29 will perform better in all situations (and really, the ONLY place 27.5s seem to benefit from being -easier to turn is under pro-freeriders – but again, the 29er freeride bikes just keep getting more dialed in). As for fat bikes, while new and different, they are a niche bike. Unless your want to narrow your target market to those that live in Alaska, please stop with the fat tire reviews. I’ll never race cross country on one, I’ll never do a 24 hour race on one (at least not a competitive one), I’ll never huck my fat tire bike. Have enjoyed your 29er focus for years, and you’ve been a great help introducing me to several 29er specific products (AM wide lightings baby..). Do hope you stick around and keep up the site..
I love that twentynineinches always seems to try the ideas I’ve got in my head before I’ve got them. B+ in a Fargo? Brilliant! DT Swiss says their 29er fork can only fit a 62mm wide tire and you guys go and prove that V-Trax Fatty 3.25 will fit! Wild!
If all you guys did was try all kinds of weird wheel/tire/fork/frame combinations, you’d have a reader in me for years.
Relevance?! Really? Did you guys just get back from Colorado? Long time lurker here – like, since when you started. Remember how hard those advertising banners along the side here were to fill? Well, now that those advertisers are on board it’s time to grow your readership. Remember Kloxxi? How about Mike C. or Shiggy to name a few? How about Gary Fisher’s stamp on where the bike industry now stands. Yeah, reputations were made because of or in part by TNI. If a lot of these comments are of any indication, this site is more than just relevant. You guys may be ten years older, slower and that much more tired at the top of a climb but that’s no reason to kick this to the side of the trail. Enduro may be all the rage right now but only because there are a lot of people who want to go down – fast. As the big wheel turns, tires and rims get bigger, gearing gets refined (don’t even get me going on that one) there is nothing faster and more fun than a “new breed” 29er. There is a reason The wheel size took over the market – the majority of riders want stability, speed and the sense of safety that a bigger wheel offers. Not only that but the riders of the world demanded it and you know what happens once that big wheel starts turning! Like you said, Santa Cruz and Ibis to name but a few, are most likely not sitting on too much overstock. Not to mention the “boutique” builders like Turner, the plethora of custom guys and the up and comers like Evil. Stick it out – you don’t see Niner changing their name to “The Midsized Revolution”. Go the distance – “+”, Adventure, Bikepacking, Gravel, Cross, Monstercross, Endurance, Enduro or just plain sufferfest – call it whatever, I call it bike riding and it all happens on a big wheel. So maybe you’ve pigeonholed yourself with a site called “TwentyNineInches.com”, so what – go with it. I don’t see you guys being reprimanded for plagiarizing others work. I see the rise of a whole bunch of internet sites that were modeled after TNI and are basis for a whole lot of people blogging and bantering, trolling and trading ideas about bikes, bike parts and bike riding. With the new blood that you’ve brought on board and the old guard contributing (hats off to GT – do your thing, I’m a banner sponsor on your “new” gig) you guys are more than just relevant. Tighten up your ratchet straps, things are just getting good! As Georgia Gould Tweeted the other day “Sometimes, when a Led Zeppelin song comes on, I feel a little embarrassed for every other rock band.” So throw on “The Ocean” and let’s get to throwin’ down!