Titus Cycles Rockstar- Mid-Term: by Guitar Ted
In my last update on the Titus Cycles Rockstar, (seen here), I had a clouded view of the frame’s performance due to a sub-par wheel set. That has since been rectified by using the Project Wheel Build wheel set, (seen here), and now I can comment more directly on the Rockstar’s performance out on the trails.
Ride Performance: With the better wheels on the Rockstar, the bike was now free from any distracting componentry, and my first impressions of the Rockstar now are somewhat modified. I made use of the word “firm” when speaking of the suspension. This led some commenters to believe the Rockstar was not a smooth feeling suspension bike. Let me now allay any fears of such a thing. The Rockstar suspension is definitely laterally stiff and firm, but as far as ride feel, you can tune in a great feeling smooth ride if you want to.
Typically, with a shock like a Fox RP 23 with ProPedal, I’ll leave the lever in the platform position most of the time, since on most bikes with that damper, I like the firmer feeling coming out of corners and on climbs. With the Monarch RT3 on the Rockstar, I did the same thing initially and set the sag. Off I went, and never looked back for the first few rides.
In this setting, (the middle setting-lever parallel with the top tube), I was quite pleased with the way the Rockstar would jump upon accelerating and climbing showed absolutely zero bobbing while in the saddle. The subtle bumps and jolts could be felt a bit, but I normally have that anyway, so I was not disturbed by this. Tracking of the wheels felt exceptional, much akin to the Diamondback Sortie Black, which I think is a benchmark in that regard.
So, I am happy, why change anything, right? This is a test though, so I did stop during one loop and flipped the switch on the RT3 to wide open, suspecting I would be stopping soon to flip it back, because normally wide open shock settings just do not work for me. Typically the wide open settings tend to be too plush and I end up not liking that at all. I feel it negatively affects climbing by inducing squat and the beginning of the suspension’s travel gets blown by too easily for my tastes.
This wasn’t the case when I flipped the lever to wide open on the Rock Shox Monarch on this bike, however. It wasn’t a huge, all of a sudden super-plush feeling, but a subtle, yet easily discernible “shift” in the spring feel to the softer side. Yes, it bobbed very slightly now, but on the other end, the big hits were swallowed in a nicer way with smaller trail chatter just erased. I would liken it to a coil spring type of feel, at least to the beginning of the stroke. It was really an eye opener for me, since this was a Monarch, and as I have said, I didn’t like any of the previous uses of this rear damper.
With this plusher setting, I still had a great, albeit a bit softer, climbing feel with great traction, and of course, better down hill feeling to boot. This seems to me to give the rider a choice in a useful way. Leave the damper wide open for times the trails demand it, or if you are fatigued. Turn the lever to the mild platform setting for a bit of an edge on climbing and sprinting out of corners with a slight increase in trail chatter feel. Both settings are very useful, and of course, you can fully lock out the rear and front for those times when the ride calls out for such a thing.
Cornering feel is very good, since the front to rear balance can be fine tuned to match, and the rider’s weight seems to be well balanced front to rear. Although the head angle is listed at 70 degrees, I did not feel that the Titus was difficult to navigate through very tight corners at all. The long-ish stays do make lofting the front end a bit more difficult, but it pays off on steep climbs and in the stability department.
And that RT3 lever? It is still on the wide open setting. π
Stay tuned for my final review on the Titus Rockstar coming in a few weeks or so.
Note: Titus Bicycles sent over the Rockstar for test/review at no charge to Twenty Nine Inches. we are not being bribed or paid for this review. I will strive to give my honest thoughts and opinions throughout.
I gotta say, I’m loving the Monarch RT3 on my Anthem X-29 0 as well. It’s a darn fine damper.
what does the frame weight?
Hi,
That’s very promising mid-term GT π
Few questions:
1. What’s your weight fully geared?
2. How does rear tire clearance looks like? Any luck with 2.2-2.3 knoblies?
3. I know that it might not work but would you be willing to try 120mm up front for a moment and compare your riding experience?
Asking about it because On-One UK is offering Rockstar with Reba 120mm travel.
Cheers!
I.
@IvanMTB: I weigh about 230lbs, but I never have weighed my pack. I did set the bike up with it on though.
Numbers 2: I’ll get back to you on here soon. π
#3: I don’t have a tapered steer tube 120mm fork, nor a head set adapter at the present time to check that out with, but obviously it would slack the head angle out, (typically by about 1 degree, depending on fork model and sag setting), and raise the bottom bracket a bit. I did this on a Salsa Cycles Big Mama, and an ’08 HiFi and both rode fine,(albeit with a slower, more floppy front end feel, but the sky-high BB was a pain to me on mounts and dismounts in rough terrain. I foresee a similar situation with the Rockstar.
Thanks for the mid term GT. Good to get some real life feedback on the performance of the rear end.
I too would be fascinated about 120mm up front as it allows for a bit more ‘big hit’ capability and may save moving to a bottle mount free 120-135mm bike!
Any feedback on current BB height? There are some forum comments about the previous low BB and Titus say it has been raised a tad. This seems to go against current trends but again its all relative.
Frame and rear triangle stiffness? Any comments most appreciated.
@Professed: The current BB height is felt only as a more difficult mounting/dismounting thing over hard tails. On trails I didn’t notice anything untoward. One thing that is nice here with regard to this bike is that I don’t have pedal strike issues, so there is one good thing about the BB height dimension here.
The front end is acceptably stiff. It isn’t the stiffest front end out there, but being aluminum it does very well in this regard. The rear end seems to be quite stiff. I do not sense any movement laterally or torsionally back there. This is one area where the Rockstar beats the Diamondback Sortie Black I tested last year. The Rockstar in full carbon, which I believe is coming, should be even stiffer all around.
Back to the 120 fork: I don’t think the 120 fork on the Rockstar would be better than say, a Titus El Guapo 29, for instance. π Again, the slightly difficult to mount/dismount Rockstar as is would be even worse with a 120mm fork. Otherwise I would say, “Have at it”. Unfortunately, I have no fork/reducer head set at this point to try the theory out with.
Just wanted to add a comment about the Monarch RT3. I’ve got a Spearfish which I have changed the standard and rather dull Monarch R out for a Monarch RT3 (MM tune) and it really has transformed the Spearfish into a do everything type of bike (at least for round in the Surrey Hills, UK). Possibly as good as a Pushed RP23?
Great mid term report GT
Glad the setup is working out so well now
Couple of comments re 120mm fork so I figured is would add my 2 cents since this is how I have mine set up – fox f29 non taper
I really like it setup this way as it gives me a bit more range, reduces pedal strikes a bit and mainly is a better descender
A talus 29 would be my choice for this bike if built it up from scratch
That said I will likely drop my f29 to100mm when I pickup a tall boy lt or el guapo 29
And use therockstar for XC duty only as is it’s a darn good trail bike in my books
Looking fwd to the final review
Forgot to mention I have a gen 1 rock star with an rp23
Like gt I find this bike pedals very well without without the platform engaged
do you think a wide and voluminous tire like the Ardent 2.4 would still fit in the back with enough clearance?
Hi,
Thanks for reply GT, looking forward for final review.
230lb… lordie-lord…I’m almost 100 less xD Do you think that it will impare suspension action and sensitivity?
Just my 5 pence regarding really fat tires on full sus bikes.
Had very interesting conversation with Giant Trance rider on the trail. He used 2.2 tires front and rear and claimed that they were fat enough for trail/enduro riding. After all there is suspension on the duties. Not saying that fat tires do not match full sus but they are doing much better job on the HT bikes me think…
Cheers!
I.
The fabled El Guapo 29er raises its head! There is a prototype I see.
By the looks of it its super long and in another class like the WFO. Methinks that a stretched out Rockstar might be a better fit to needs.
Speaking of the carbon version, its been a year since the ugly prototype. Wonder if the final comes to fruition or if its another on-one long term teaser?
@Arnbu: I have put a 2.35 back there and it starts to get close. An Ardent 2.4 on a 28mm wide rim would be really pushing it clearance-wise. I’m thinking it would not be practical.
@IvanMTB: I think 2.2″ers can do a lot, depending on the terrain and speeds. Unless you are dealing with lots of rocks/chunk at high speeds, I think the 2.1-2.3″ range has a lot to offer in terms of traction/volume for most 29″er applications.