“Everything would have been fine if it were not for those darn 27.5 wheels”. A. Lincoln (pretty sure, anyway)
I am hardly the foremost authority on anything, but it has been interesting this past year or so watching the trends in MTBs in general and 29ers specifically, since that is what I still prefer to ride as a do-all wheel size. And if I were to put e-pen to e-paper, 2016 is, I think, headed in a direction that I believe bodes well for 29er lovers, although if you were watching things from about 2014 to 2015, that optimism might have looked a bit iffy.
It was pretty exciting, back when all this wagon wheel stuff was in its infancy. Like some toddler pulling itself up on the sofa cushion and first tottering, then walking, then running, then jumping OVER the darn sofa, 29ers were happening in all kinds of configurations. And they were being marketed for nearly everyone and for nearly everywhere, which was a mistake, but who could blame the Bike Industry for wanting to sell the hottest thing to come along in ages to the entire MTB universe? So they made little ones and big ones and rigid ones and squishy ones, and little by little things began to get refined and massaged, etc.
Carbon FS bikes like the Santa Cruz Tall Boy, which as I understand it, outsold all the other models Santa Cruz had in their line-up combined, were pretty cool to have on the market . Some of it was great and some of it was not great, just like anything else ever made for bike-land, but it was an exciting time to be shopping for and riding 29ers. New tires, wheels, forks were getting produced for 29ers en masse. Every new tire was exciting and we all were clamoring for beefy versions just like the 26er guys had. When that happened, or pretty much happened anyway, with 2.35″ trail bike tires, the internet forums were all a-twitter. When the Fox 34 in a 29″ version was announced, they practically went into hypoxia.
About then, two things happened. First, 29ers were no longer ‘the new’. Speaking with Guitar Ted, our distinguished founder, we would ask ourselves the question, “When will 29ers become ‘just a bike’?” and would we recognize that when it happened? I mean, nothing stays unique and exciting forever and once the newness wears off, then what?
I remember the first time I saw a new carbon 29er hardtail…OOoooo. Then, there was the year at Sea Otter where they seemed to be growing out of the lawn like dandelions. Yay…China open source moulds! Ho Hum.
Then the next thing happened. The second horseman of the apocalypse rode in on a 27.5″ tall horse. That much-vaunted by the industry tweener wheel, the best of both worlds (26″ and 29″), the perfect compromise…ah, I am sure there were more nifty marketing sayings…but basically the Spork of wheelsizes came along to muddy the waters with its promise of giving us X% of all the goodness of 29ers yet XX% of all the goodness of a 26″ wheel. They might as well have been coffin nails for anything 26″ wheeled, but the Bike Industry was just about ready for the Next Big thing to sell. Some companies were caught off-guard by this new wheel size. I was told by one company employee of a BIG bike company that they were not even TESTING 27.5 when this all happened and you know that the gestation period of any new bike, especially in carbon, takes much more than a month or two…like maybe 1 or 2 years more.
Giant Bikes nearly abandoned 29″ bikes completely and went armpits deep into 27.5″ wheels, which was either amazingly prescient or really foolish, but in any case it was quite the gambit. Either they would be the one-eyed king of the land of the blind or they would be the emperor on the top floor in a 27.5 story building.
And then the phones stopped ringing at twentynineinches.com. because all the engineering and marketing budgets were all about getting 27.5″ bikes done. Demo trucks were full of mid-wheeled bikes. Just try getting a 29er from a bike manufacturer for review when no one is trying to sell a bunch of them. Not good for us at TNI.com because, although we discussed it, we really did not want to be twentysevenfiveinches.com. Not that I think 27.5 stuff is awful. Quite the contrary. Well, except maybe for 27.5″ XC hardtails. Who wants one of those things beside Nino? Not too many folks do, I bet. But 27.5 makes a lot of sense for smaller persons, for bigger travel bikes, like 150mm and up, and for those persons who really like to have a bike they can toss around a bit more easily. But for me, 27.5 is what one Bike Industry guru said about it: “It’s a better 26.” I am not all that interested in that ‘benefit’ and the riding terrain and style I have does not really call for that as a great option.
But this industry feeds on the new and a lot of folks bought into the ‘best of both worlds’ nonsense and bought 27.5, even when they could have fit on a 29er and even if their riding style and conditions did not really call for the smaller wheel. And you know what? They found that they had really good bikes. They were fun to ride, those 27.5 bikes. Not a bad deal. But…they were not 29ers.
Talking with some industry folks, many of them from either smaller or mid-size companies, what was being hinted at is that, while 27.5 was what they were focusing on now, in a year or so 29ers would be back, but with a new focus. And that new focus has happened and I think it is perhaps the best that 29ers have gotten yet. It ain’t over yet folks, and that brings us to today.
Take a look at these bikes. From left to right, top to bottom. Salsa Horsethief. Kona Process 111 DL. Specialized Camber Expert Carbon 29. Pivot 429 Trail. Just a random sampling of the market…there are many others just as good.
They all have suspension travel in the ‘very moderate’ range…not a new thing for 29ers…but mix in a 130mm or 120mm front end with a 120mm or 115mm rear end, add in slacker HT angles than what would have been on a 29er of days gone by, then tuck that back end in till it hurts…maybe to where only a 1X drivetrain will work, and it really becomes a new animal. Those 29″ wheels still do what they always did best…they do MORE with LESS, so even that moderate amount of travel is pretty darn fun, especially with the newer Fox and Rockshox fork offerings that are stiff and light and have a proper 51mm offset. That shortened back end is a revelation, allowing the bike to remain more nimble, even while the slacker HT angles give you a fun ride at speed and over difficult trails. And that smaller amount of rear travel allows you to have a bike that still pedals well without too much compromise. Hell, maybe with NO compromises!
It is, IMO, perhaps the best all around FS bike for a HUUUUGE amount of the riders and riding conditions out there. Although I think we already had some pretty stiff 29er wheels out there, the new Boost 148mm/110mm hub spacing gives us the potential for improvements here.
It is, or at least I think it is, what a lot of the 29er future will look like.
So while Plus is the new focus, and frankly, might be the best reason for 27.5 to exist at all, IMO, and will also allow many of the new bikes like this to run 27+ and a 2.8″ tire with only a bit of geo changes.
But taken all by itself this new take on FS 29ers breathes life into big wheels, giving them reason to grow and be further refined beyond just being the wheel of choice for carbon XC hardtail racers and endurance racing freaks. And I would not be at all surprised to find many riders who jumped ship to 27.5 jumping right back onto a bike like these shown above.
They are fun bikes to ride, taking the best of what bigger wheels do for you and wrapping them in a very nice package that will still be viable and fun for some time to come.
And that makes me and old Abe there smile.
For a time it looked as if this site was fading away. Glad to hear you are still very motivated about the best-est wheel size. Now, more tire review! (Please)(But really, more tire review. I’m think at least one a month)
@Scentofreason…well, it has been a challenging year for us, in that life sometimes puts you through seasons and I did not have the time I used to for things. It happens. But things are looking better and I hope to get back in the saddle, so to speak.
We did consider putting out the lights and going on to other things. Was it time for that? It might have been. But I like what we do here. It is honest and transparent. We are who we are. No surprises…no agendas.
Tires…yes. I have that in the works, as well as a new 29er test bike build for all that fun stuff.
Thanks for hanging with us.
gg
Personally I believe that 27.5″. Will go down as the biggest flop in history. 27 plus on the other hand is gaining momentum and of course it also feels just like a 29er. Fat bikes on 26″ rims also are very close to the rollout of a 29er. So that leaves us with 3 wheel sizes with a rollout very close to a 29er. Watching salsa bring the pony rustler/horsethief to market and now the Highwater from Santa Cruz, we can see that the 2 wheel size / one bike trend is coming and hard. I have fallen in love with 27+ and first I felt as though I had betrayed my beloved 29″ wheels, but after some deep though I have to to realize that 27+ is just a 29er anyway. 29ers are here to stay. The scaled sized bike lines with xs, small in 27″ and med-xxxl in 29″ still makes a ton of sense to me and I still remain hopeful that this is the way things will play out for hard tails.
great talk. huge 29er fan here. i think 27.5+ is a great platform cause it allows you to rude 27.5+ and 29 all in one…..and gives you the option
I think 29er’s are great but I hope we are on the verge of something new and much better which I will call the Versatile Bike. A “V-bike” is a bike that transcends categories, a mountain bike becomes a plus bike or a plus bike becomes a fat bike, with only a change of the tires. We are already seeing factory bikes that inter-change 27″ plus wheels with 29″ mountain wheels. However wheelsets complete with tires, rotors, and cassettes are expensive (~ $1000+). Also, when switching wheelsets they may not align the same and will require adjustment of brakes and derailliers. A V-bike solves these problems by designing the bike so that with just a tire switch the bike can be changed to another category. Take the example of my own bike, a Trek Farley fat bike with 27.5 x 4.0″ tires which I have made into a plus-to-fat V-bike. I have replaced the 80 mm rims with 45mm WTB Scraper rims. Now I can mount both 3″ wide plus tires and 4″ wide fat tires. With the small tires the bottom bracket height is 12.2″. With the big tires the bb height is 12.7″. With only a 0.5″ change in bb height the bike geometry is little effected. Put on the 3″ wide tires and I’m ripping the trail. Put on the 4″ wide tires and I’m floating across the snow. And yes, this bike could have been better if it came from the factory designed to be a V-bike. A mountain-to-plus V-bike could also be designed. Design the the V-bike to have the widest reasonable rim and the lowest reasonable bb height for the smaller tire. Then design the bike to have adequate tire clearance and stand-over height for the bigger tire. What is great about this scheme is that no new parts need to be invented. All this can be done with parts you can buy off the shelf today. A frame designed to be a V-bike is all that is needed. I wonder how many people would like to have mountain bike for racing and a plus bike for trail riding in one bike. This could also be beneficial for manufacturers and bike shops because they wouldn’t have to stock so many different categories of bikes. Also how many people might be more eager to buy a fat bike if it could also be used as a plus bike and not sit unused for most of the year. And not everyone wants or can afford a stable of bikes. I can even imagine a mountain-to-fat V-bike with 40mm wide rims changing from a 2.4″ wide mountain tire to a 3.8″ fat tire and every thing in between. Think about it.
@Mark…I made the some of the same points as you did about wheel cost on the Facebook post comments section. I know that many folks do run 29er tires on Fat Bikes in the summer. It works, but then you are pedaling a wide Q factor all the time and that bothers a lot of folks. As well, where does that leave FS? Any suspension that is sharply tuned for Fat Bike tires (especially the rear shock) will NOT be tuned right for a 2.2 29er tire. And IMO a 1/2″ change at the BB height is huge.
So I don’t see this V bike idea being a real direction that the industry will take, but I bet there will be innovative guys like you who will find it appealing and will deal with any compromises in exchange for the benefits it would offer.
gg
I’m glad to see that the lights at twentynineinches.com will be staying on!
29ers rule! 🙂
Well said Gg. I ride an ’09 Pivot 429 9 speed w/Wide Lightning wheels and 2.3 tires and feel fortunate i don’t want another bike, but good luck finding a new wheelset that’s not the “new standard”
Gotta have the “new” to increase sales, like someone else said, the 26er will be back as the new ultimate bike eventually or will it be the 36er?
If companies made the same bikes every year, and merely changed the paint schemes, I think they would get roasted for that too. And if they don’t turn a profit, just like most any business, they will cease to exist. Damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Innovate or die, as they say.
Just because a new standard is introduced, doesn’t suddenly mean my current bike is crap. Just means that there are improvements are being made, and I’m likely going to be able to keep getting spares for the foreseeable future. A few eggs must be broken to make an omelette.
In life, there are things I have control over, things I have influence over (to one extent or another), and things I have no control over. Innovation in the cycling world is not likely to be under my direct control any time soon. I may have a minute measure of influence if I am joined by a large number of like minded individuals. Mostly, it is out of my control.
For me, I think it works best if I can eke out a seat on the train and enjoy the trip.
Nice to hear this website stays. I was also (as many above) a but worried. 😉
Also agree on the article and the fact that 29ers make fine funbikes. I still think the Evil the Follwing is the best example of what a 29er can be. Love that Evil tried to build a 29er to prove they needed a 27.5 bike but instead were blown away. 🙂 (if only my funds were sufficient…)
I am riding a 29er long travel hardtail for which I also think the big wheels are a big plus. Having a hardtail but riding pretty serious terrain the bigger wheels give a nice rollover and more comfort and control.
Keep up the good work!
The rapid introduction of the 27.5 plus size indicated to me that 27.5″ wheels were found lacking and that what was needed to make them better was to increase the wheel/tire diameter by 1.5 inches. What you have is of course a 29er bike with really wide tires. However, the tires are so wide that they’re heavy, bouncy and don’t change direction well. The next logical progression will be to reduce the girth from 2.8 inches to 2.3 or so and reduce the vertical volume by extending the rim out 1.5″ while keeping the outside diameter of the tire at 29 inches. Et voila – the next bike size for the bike industry (bless their hearts) to offer to us. Maybe they’ll call it the 622 after the “new” rim size. Or maybe not. Twentynineinches: it’s how we roll!
So glad your not shutting down, a short travel or hardtail 27.5/650B makes no sense unless your vertically challenged. Long live the 29er. cheers