Our Mid Term report on the Specialized Fuse Pro 6Fattie by Grannygear.
Even though I have a lot more time planned on the Specialized Fuse Pro 6Fattie for the future, I wanted to put out an update based on the time I have had on her, and cover two points of perspective that likely will apply to this exploding genre of 27.5″ Plus hardtails as a whole.
So, over the weekend, we went on our usual camping trip to try out the new gear by Grannygear. It was only going to be a short trip so we left the caravan, camping washing machine, and generator at home and just took basic equipment instead. Usually campers and trekkers tend to bring along essential supplies and some pre-packaged or processed food (similar to the ones provided by companies like Roundhouse Provisions) but we decided otherwise. Once we packed our tent, food, and bikes into the car, we felt good that we were on our way to having a brilliant weekend on some pretty nice new equipment!
Now remember we got it Out Of the Box here and the First Impressions were good. Since then, other than just riding it, I have done two things…I compared it to a typical 29er FS that I have in the garage and I explored the adventure potential of the Fuse Pro 6Fattie by taking it bikepacking. So lets begin with the comparison to the FS 29er, in this case a Specialized Camber with a 120mm fork (115mm rear travel), carbon wheels and some beefy trail tires.
Does the Fuse Pro 6Fattie make the FS 29er a dinosaur? And if not, what about 27.5+ in a full suspension?
Good questions, and I think not on both accounts. Here is why. I know this Camber very well, so after being exclusively on the Fuse Pro 6Fattie for many rides, I grabbed the 120mm 29er FS and took it out for a quick, but aggressive ride. The difference was quite dramatic, more than I expected, but not in the way I expected. First of all, the two bikes weigh nearly the same overall although the Camber’s wheels/tires are lighter. But rolling down the paved road to the trail, the 29er FS really did not feel much faster (although the new 2.35 Schwalbe Nobby Nics are not a really fast rolling tire) and once I hit the sandy fireroad, the difference was even less, as I noticed the sand more on the 29er FS and I noticed how the front wheel was so easily pinged off dead-ahead by small rocks, etc. Standing and pedaling up small rises in the trail felt about the same as far as getting out what I was putting in. It did feel a bit faster overall, and I imagine something like an Epic would be even faster feeling still, but I think most buyers of a Fuse Pro 6Fattie would not be wondering if they could replace their Epic with a 27+ hardtail, but they might be wondering if it would replace a mid-travel FS 29er like the Camber.
Onto a singletrack, and riding slighty uphill, I was put in a position to be pedaling while turning and with a forward weight bias. And what struck me was how active the steering felt on the Camber, in that I mean to say that compared to the Fuse Pro 6Fattie, the Camber took much less steering input to initiate a turn or even correct the line. It was enough to require me to recalculate my riding a bit or I was oversteering…it felt ‘hyper’ active, in a way. But that was also fun as small weight shifts accomplished much more. On the down hill sections of singletrack, with mixed in hard baked, off-camber turns and crumbly overburden, the FS 29er felt sketchy, but accurate, like I got exactly what I asked of it steering wise, but that it asked me back, “hang on and trust me cause this will feel a bit edgy”. And this is a good handling bike with a pretty wide rim at a pretty low pressure running a beefy trail bike tire. It also was…well, very fun too, but in a different way. It felt much more iffy with less traction than I had grown used to and the bike was more active, being affected more by the trail surface. I felt more ‘in touch’ with the trail in that sense, although it took a bit more nerve to commit to faster turns.
It occurred to me that the 29er wheel and tire were more ‘accurate’, to use a word, in that they had less of a mind of their own…no self steer, very little tire flex. And there was no moon bounce at all, and that is something that is there with the Plus bikes, although that is tunable to some degree with tire pressure and rim width.
As well, the FS nature of the Camber was a hoot to ride in the way that only full suspension allows…pumping the bike over things, loading the back end into corners and popping out the other side…and let’s face it…a Fuse Pro 6Fattie is still a hardtail so the extra comfort of 115mms of travel and a 29er tire at 21psi trumps the fatter tire and a rigid rear end.
And when you combine a tire with less deflection/bounce with full suspension, you get a really different feel, and it is different enough to where the two have reason to exist on their own, although the lines to blur a bit more than before. it does make me wonder how the Plus size will translate over in the longer travel FS market. I have some doubts that the bounce and squirm will always be what a more skilled and aggressive rider will want. We shall see. I still think a 120mm F/90mm rear FS that could take both 29er and 27+ would be fabulous, but getting it tuned to work with the different BB heights and shock tunes could be challenging.
“Honey…I am going camping and I am taking my bike”
When I first saw the Rocky Mountain Sherpa FS at Sea Otter, I thought it was brilliant as an Adventure/Bikepacking mount. I remember talking to the boys at Salsa Cycles and saying that a Salsa El Mariachi that could run both Plus and non-Plus wheels would be an amazingly versatile bike (and so would a Salsa Spearfish be in the same configuration).
So when the Fuse Pro 6Fattie hit the decks of my residence, I thought that it would be a fine camping bike, although not a perfect one. And it did not take long for me to plan a quick overnighter or two to get out and see how this platform…not just the wheel/tire size…but the 120 fork/slack angled/hardtail Plus as a genre would be when loaded up with gear and pointed towards the great outdoors. It was, in a word…fantastic!
Using a set of soft bar and seat bags I had on hand, and adding a Revelate Designs Ranger frame bag (size Medium for the LG Fuse Pro 6Fattie), I set out with a buddy and his similarly equipped Specialized Epic for an overnighter. The route was a mix of pavement and rough fireroad/old doubletrack, and had quite a bit of elevation gain, much of it on pavement. So that meant a Fat Bike would have been maddeningly slow in that part of the trip. But I also knew that there was going to be a lot of sand from recent rains and a fire in the area, enough so to make even a normal 29er pause and fumble, especially when climbing. So I was curious how the Fuse Pro 6Fattie and the 27+ set-up would fair…would it be the perfect middle ground? It was.
Not only did the tires allow me to ride all the sandy sections with grace, they also did not slow me down too much on the faster paved roads, although when we were coasting side by side, the Epic would walk away from me with similar rider and cargo weights. So there is some more rolling or air resistance or something dragging me down a bit, although I only could show this when we coasted downhill.
The entire package of geometry and 120mm fork, and the inherent stability of the bike and those big tires, were just fabulous when loaded down with what likely was 10 pounds or so of gear, and I don’t think adding another ten pounds to that burden would change anything. Crossing ruts and rolling through loose, rocky sections was a breeze, and if this would have been an all day(s) trip, that calmness under those rugged conditions would add up to a less stressed/tired rider at day’s end. Now you know that a full on Fat Bike is the king of two wheeled beasts of burden, being even more stable and capable in trying trail conditions, but for where I live, the Plus bikes make more sense as a compromise ‘pack mule’.
Why is the Fuse Pro 6Fattie not perfect for this? Well small things, but they add up. For one thing, SRAM 1x is really good for most all trail uses for most folks, but you do not get a really low gear or a really smooth and efficient high gear either…2x gives you both, so depending on who you are and where you ride, you may be sad about only one chainring. If I was doing extended bikepacking rides on this bike, I would likely do what it would take to get a 28T chainring on there and take the loss on the high end. A dropper post is not gonna get used on a bikepacking bike as it would most likely put your seat bag into the rear tire if it was lowered. Of course you can pull it off for big trips and run a more compliant Ti or carbon post for comfort or just live with the Command post as it is, ignoring the dropper part of the deal. There is no third bottle mount on the underside of the downtube. Also, the rather compact geometry of the frame does not allow for a really big frame bag and it is aluminum, where most adventure riders tend to move toward steel or Ti for this type of use. And if we really want to go big on the adventure/bikepacking side of things, then honestly 29+ is likely a better bet for that, taking the stability and footprint up a step and making running a rigid fork a bit easier to swallow, if that is a priority.
But in calling out the Fuse Pro 6Fattie for these shortcomings, I realize that this is a bit picky of me, and to be fair, the Fuse Pro 6Fattie is aimed at the much wider, mid-fat part of the rider curve, that being trailriders and fun seekers, much more than it is towards eccentric bike mounted campers riding across Wyoming, etc. However, it proves that with a few compromises here and there (and none of them too serious), the Fuse Pro 6Fattie is very good if you DO WANT to get out there and bikepack off of it. It worked really well for me and I have another desert trip planned with JeffJ and his Trek Stache 9 (another smart choice for all-round trail bike use mixed with adventure/camping duties). And if the Fuse Pro 6Fattie stays around long enough, I would love to take a shot at the Kokopelli on it.
And to bring this full circle, once I got home, it took all of ten minutes to strip the bags off the bike and put the SWAT cage back on the Fuse Pro 6Fattie, putting it back to all-round trail duty where the lighter than steel frame, dropper post, and 1x gearing allow for a lighter and more agile trail bike than I might have with a full-on expedition rig. Not bad at all.
Next up? Well, I want to tweak the cockpit fit a bit and try a different tire on the front to increase bite. One thing is for sure…I am glad that we have so many choices right now as mountain bikers. It is a sweet time to be a rider and Plus bikes are a viable option that have a lot of appeal, even though they have some downsides too.
I think the Specialized is well done and a worthy player in this new Plus game, a game I am very much enjoying playing.
Note: Specialized provided this review bike at no charge to Twenty Nine Inches for test and review. We are not being paid, nor bribed for these reviews and we will strive to give our honest thoughts and opinions throughout.
GG,
The Specialized Purgatory 27.5 x 3.00 front and back (tubeless), will transform your Fuse. It did on mine..all for $110.
Maybe checkout the Jamis Dragonslayer 27.5+ HT for a Bikepacking +HT…2×10, steel frame, rack mounts, etc.
Thanks for the thoughtful update. It’s making me very itchy to get on a 27+ bike!
I’ve been thinking that, at least for my style of riding, an Epic/Camber with 27+ wheels would be amazing when dialed in… particularly with wider rims than the current 6Fattie, and carbon rims even happier ;-). And as you’re saying, being able to run one bike with 2 wheelsets of 29/27+ would be great.
A couple of 2016 bikes may have already been designed this way. The Salsa Horsethief and Pony Rustler are in this direction, if rumor is true. Interesting in terms of weight/simplicity, if perhaps not totally 27+: the Orbea Occam TR 29 series. And I’m sure there are others. Moderate travel FS with relatively light 27+ wheels just seems to make so much sense!
Have you been able to squeeze the 6Fattie rims on your Camber? Or otherwise, have you put some time in on FS with 27+?
I have had my Fuse Pro 6 Fattie since August and have many miles on it. At 5’8” with a 30” inseam, the medium fits perfectly. I am an XC/endurance racer and have ridden lots of bikes over many years. The spec here is good for the price. I like the new Command Post and can’t distinguish the stock group from XX1. I planned to switch the brakes for XTs, but the SRAMS work well and I like the integration with the shifter and dropper levers, so I kept them. They have not required any bleeding. The Ground Controls roll fast, are predictable and reward leaning the bike hard. I weigh 155 and run them at 11-12 PSI – more air gets harsh and less gets bouncy. They drank up quite a bit of sealant when new. I plan to try Purgatorys, as recommended by other commenters. I like that it holds two giant water bottles and the SWAT tools are a nice touch, making it a good platform for an adventure bike. It bunny hops better than my current 29ers (Waterford and Yeti ASRC) and climbs well for a fairly heavy bike (28.5 lbs. with XT Trail pedals, SWAT tool and 2 cages.) Slack geometry, wide bars and a short stem make slow technical climbing a challenge. The bike is great for the fast, rolling, ‘loose over hard’ desert trails of the Southwest. Gobs of traction and a low center of gravity make it tons of fun here and my cornering speeds keep going up. However, the bottom bracket is really low, even by current standards. I am still smacking and hooking pedals unexpectedly. This problem disappears if I point it down something steep, but pedaling rock gardens requires ratcheting and careful line choices. Bottom line: it’s a good bike for where I live and I imagine would be good on “flow” trails (not my thing) but if i were back on my native rocky, rooty, slow East Coast trails, I think i would pick something else – or maybe learn to ride better. Hope this helps prospective buyers.
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