As I stated on the Out Of The Box post, I would be back with a view and run down on the completed build of the Gryphon from Singular Cycles. I will also point out a few specifics on the drop bar set up to help with understanding these peculiar rigs.
Before I go any further, I’ll give the run down on the complete build:
Frame/Fork: Singular Cycles Gryphon, size large
Wheels; Industry 9 single speed hubs laced to DT Swiss TK 7.1 disc rims
Tires: Front- Geax Saguaro TNT/ Rear WTB Vulpine- both set up tubeless.
Crankset: White Industries ENO w/34T ring
Cog: Surly 17T with Surly spacer kit/lockring
Bottom Bracket: Shimano cartridge, 115mm spindle/ Phil Wood EBB insert.
Pedals: Shimano
Chain: SRAM PC-951
Brakes: Avid BB-7 mechanical disc brakes/ Avid Clean Sweep rotors. 185mm front/160mm rear
Stem: Thomson 100mm
Handlebar: Salsa Woodchipper 46cm
Brake Levers: Tektro RL 520
Tape: Double wrapped. Outer layer Deda.
Seatpost: Thompson
Saddle: Brooks Special B-17
Cables/Housing: Standard road brake cables w/Jagwire housing.
The build of a drop bar specific rig differs a bit in terms of set up from standard 29″ers and from drop bar conversions. Here the taller head tube allows for a set up that uses very few spacers and a standard stem. The caveat is that you will have a frame with a severely sloping top tube. (Otherwise the set up would require a severely sloping stem!) With a rigid fork layout and a lower than most bottom bracket, the Gryphon sets up nicely with the Woodchippers. I was able to easily match my desired saddle to grip area drop. The Gryphon is set up, as most off road drop bar rigs should be, with the primary hand position being the drops. (Note: I didn’t say you “never” use other positions. It is just that during most rough, technical riding, you’ll want to be in the most advantageous position- that being the drops.) Because the drop section is where you’ll be spending most of your time, you’ll want to make sure you can operate the brakes from the drops. Take a look at the following image to see how that looks.
Notice how the levers are positioned downward. This allows me to reach out my index finger while I grip the hook and easily grab the tip of the Tektro lever to operate the brakes. If the lever was higher, I would have to cock my wrist upwards, which would be very awkward and uncomfortable. Because the levers are positioned the way they are, you won’t have a super convenient hoods position, but as I said, it doesn’t matter, since you’ll be riding off road and in the drops most of the time. Not that you can’t cruise around on the hoods, or use the tops, because you can. It just isn’t the point of an off road drop set up, which we pointed out in our drop bars for off roading post here. I’ll post more on the off road drop bar subject coming up this week.
My impressions of the bike now are that it is very similar to the Fargo by Salsa Cycles. The important points where it varies from that drop bar specific rig is that the Singular can be set up as a single speed and the Singular is not a bike that bristles with braze ons like the Fargo does. No, the Singular makes do with only the two bottle mounts. There are subtle differences in the frame and fork from the Fargo though that I will detail in a later post. The frame seems to have decent clearance with the 2.1 inch Vulpine in back and plenty of room up front around the Geax Saguaro. The rest of the bike is pretty straight forward. Now it will be on to the handling department, and a First Impressions post will come in a couple of weeks.
Note: This product was provided to Twenty Nine Inches at no charge for reviewing. We are not being paid or bribed for this review. We will give our honest opinion or thoughts through out.
Please let us know if they fit real mountain bike tire widths. Like 2.1 2.4
Martini has run a Gryphon with 2.4″ Racing Ralphs. Don’t know how much mud clearance – but they fit at least.
Nice build Ted. Love the green handlebar tape. Too bad the Woodchipper doesn’t come in a silver color.
That is a nce looking bike…except for the saddle. But I think I’m the only person that doesn’t like Brooks saddles…
Yes. You are.
you definitely are. Brooks saddles rock. Is that the green B17? A little hard to tell with the light in the photo. But if so, big thumbs up!
@John B. Yes, a green B-17 special with the copper rails and rivets. 🙂 Thanks for the kind words.
I’ll back you up dman. I don’t like brooks saddles either. Nice looking for a retro townie though.
Classic looking, elegant bike. If the old Chris Craft made bikes along with their mahogany cruisers, they would look like this.
Can you set up this or the Fargo or any drop-bar-specific mountain bike with road shifters when you do ’em up geared? I’m not a bar-end shifter enthusiast.
@Lee T: Yes, you can do STI shifters, but you would by necessity of the brake lever pull have to make sure you use Avid road specific disc brakes in the BB-5 or BB-7 flavor.
Nice looking build. Anxious to hear how you like the ride. I am all set up on my geared Gryphon now and it is a sweet ride. Fargoesque but not a Fargo.
GT, Now for the $64,000 question: which do you prefer, and why; Bar-end or STI shifters for your drop-bar MTB setups?
If not riding on the hoods, it would seem that the STI would be more awkward, as one would have to take a hand out of the drops to shift…. but you have more experience than I.
thanks
@Tim: My preference is always for one gear! 🙂 That said, it depends on the bar we’re using with STI. A Midge is maybe okay. Just make sure the levers are run down low on the hooks so you can easily operate the shift mechanism. It isn’t that hard if the levers are low on the drop. Gary Bars are a little weirder. This set up is a bit like mtb STI levers, you know, the “flippy” shifters that Shimano offered for a few years. Salsa Woodchippers are almost like running normal drop bars, since the drop section is nearly vertical.
In all instances, the levers will be run low enough to operate in the drops that the hoods position will be rendered nearly useless, and this more than anything probably rubs folks the wrong way about off road drop bars and STI levers. (A possible exception here for some folks in regards to the Woodchipper)
I’m a bit confused about BB7 road vs. mountain version. Do the Tektro RL 520 levers work with the BB7 (i.e., non road version)? I thought that’s what you have set up here. Or do you need the BB7 road? I’ve heard different things. Thanks.
@David: Use BB-7 mountain disc brakes with your SS or bar end shifter set ups and mate them with the Tektro RL-520 brake levers, (V-brake compatible= long pull. Cane Creek and DiaCompe also make compatible levers)
If you will be wanting to use STI, SRAM, or Campy shift/brake levers, then the cable pull on those is less. These require a mating with the BB-7 road calipers.
There are other combinations, but the ones I have outlined here are workable and proven.
I put some conti 47’s on and took a ride with some roadies today. I hung with them just fine on the Gryphon. I had to spin fast with a 36 being my highest front crank but not a big thing. The Gryphon does well in all the different configurations of wheels, 2.1, 700/45 knobbies and 700/47 road tires. The road tires on the Gryphon would be much like I expect the from the Vaya. The Gryphon really turns on a dime and accelerates through corners as well as a road bike. I am liking the ride.
Nice Build!
Racing ralph’s 2.4 do fit but it’s very tricky in the rear and very little clearance. I switched to maxxis ardent 2.25.
Here is my setup with the new wtb dropbar. Not really confident with it, reach is too long, and thinking of switching it for an on-one Midge.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28816347@N07/sets/72157622772600973/
have fun with it.
Classy build!
Love to know where you got that terrific green bar tape — been looking at Deda tape online, and closest I can find is the green here:
http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Handlebar+Tape&vendorCode=DEDA&major=1&minor=32
But that looks much lighter than your green. Any hints?
@Velosopher: Thanks for the compliments. 🙂
This was Deda bar tape I sourced through Quality Bicycle Products. Your example doesn’t look at all like mine.
I checked the QBP catalog, and it is still listed under the Deda section in their bar wrap collection. It is listed as “Jaguar Green” and QBP’s part # is HT5816
Hope that helps! 🙂
Many thanks, GT — very prompt and very thorough!