I have been riding the Rock Shox Reba Team fork in the 120mm travel setting equipped with the Maxle Lite through axle for most of 2009. Here is my long term opinion on this fork that was redesigned for 2009. This fork replaced the original Reba for 29″ers. How has it compared to the classic older design and how is it stacking up against the current competition?
The Reba Team I received to review is not the U-Turn model. I have kept the fork at 120mm travel for the duration of this test, (one year) and have used it on two bikes. The first was the HiFi Deluxe and for the better part of the test it resided on the Salsa Cycles Big Mama I have on test here. The Reba Team features Rock Shox’s Maxle lite through axle which is a 20mm type axle. The chassis also features “Power Bulges” and Rock Shox’s Black Box Motion Control Damper.
The fork used all of its travel if set up correctly for my weight on bigger hits about once or twice a ride. Perfect. With the compression setting, I could dial in a great feel and avoid most brake dive. The fork also came with a Pop Loc which I found to be a so-so feature. First of all, it was a bit fiddly to set up, and secondly I never really got into using it. I preferred the fork to be active during climbing, but that is a personal preference. The quality of travel is classic Rock Shox. Pretty smooth and linear till near bottom out. Rebound damping worked well for me on my trails. The range of adjustment was a bit vague, but it suited my riding okay, so no real complaints there. The air spring held pressure consistently through out the year. I was pleasantly surprised that my previous settings from a first gen Reba carried over to the new platform.
Chassis stiffness is a world above the old quick release first generation Reba. That said, it still isn’t in the territory of some of the competition. Close, but not quite. And the fork had a Maxle Lite through axle. The flex was mostly fore/aft, but a very slight side to side flex was noticed at times. I can’t imagine the quick release version of this fork feeling any better. So in terms of chassis stiffness, the Reba Team is adequate, but nothing to crow about. Not in light of some of today’s competition.
The Maxle Lite is brilliant. I really came to like this feature. No tool front wheel removal is good, and it never let me down. That said, the threads of the Maxle Lite are not very coarse, and look like they could easily be stripped. Care with installation is recommended. Other than that, I give the system very high marks. The post mount disc brake was a new feature for 2009. I never had any issues with different calipers and removing/replacing the studs. That said, you will need to pay attention when installing fasteners into the post mounts. Threading by hand in a careful manner is recommended here. Otherwise you are good. Is post mount better? Truthfully, I can not tell the difference. The brakes worked as well on the old bracket system. I didn’t see any increase in braking efficiency with post mounts.
Finally, some of the newer tire rim combinations that may come out may be at the limits of what the Reba can deal with. I found this out with the Gordo/Dissent rim/tire combo recently. On a fork with this much travel, set ups like the one I tried will be looked at for the Reba. I experienced some tire rub on the fork brace with the Gordo/Dissent combo. Other tires should be okay though. It is worth noting that it is reported that other fork brands seem to have better clearance with the new big, monster 29″er tire.
Conclusions: Over all the fork performed well and was trouble free over the course of testing. I felt confident that it would continue to perform consistently whenever I rode it. The Maxle Lite worked great, and the through axle set up was definitely better than the old quick release model I was using. The forks features were an improvement over the first generation Reba, but with newer forks hitting the market that rival the suspension feel and surpass the Reba in over all chassis stiffness, the Reba isn’t the top of the heap fork it once was. It is very good, but not “great”. Some things like the Pop Loc seem odd to me in their finicky nature on a fork this expensive. Considering the approximately $700.00 MSRP on this fork, it is pushing the limits of value for the buck spent. Still, it is hard to argue with this models reliability and performance over the long haul. If you have longer travel on the brain, like simpler set up procedures, and want a killer through axle set up that is easy to use, the Rock Shox Reba Team fork is worth a look. Are you a big guy or need a rock solid stiff chassis and are not impressed with Pop Loc? You may want to look elsewhere.
Note: This product was provided to Twenty Nine Inches at no charge for reviewing. I am not being paid or bribed for this review. I will give my honest opinion or thoughts through out.
Ok then, which fork is stiffer that you keep alluding to. I have a hard time believing it is the fox because it has a 15mm axle and the old ones (which are basically the same as the new ones but with 15mm axle) were plenty flexy just like their 26″ counterparts only worse.
GT: so how did the HiFi behave with 120mm up front?
@Shop Mechanic: Well, yes. I am going to call out the 2010 Fox product here with the 15QR. It was evident by the many examples of that fork I got to ride at Interbike that it is above the Rock Shox in terms of fore/aft stiffness. I also am just getting started with a 2010 Manitou, which seems to be better in this regard as well for the little bit of time I have spent with it so far.
@simenf: The 2008 HiFi Deluxe wasn’t stiff enough in the rear end to really make having the 120mm travel worth it in front. Think of it as XC rear end meets AM front end. That was the feeling I had while riding it. The Big Mama? Now there is a bike stiff enough to make the combination work really well.
That said, the new Rumblefish takes the same idea I had going with the HiFi and does make it work really well. Of course, the rear ends of 2010 Fisher FS 29″ers are a wholly different design and waaay stiffer than what I was riding.
@simenf: I have a hifi with a 120mm Minute on it I strongly disagree with GT on not recommending a 20mm axle for your front end. I have ridden my bike with both a 100mm reba with qr and the 20mm 120 travel Minute. I recently put the reba back on while I have having the Minute serviced and I was flabbergasted at how flexy it was. It made the front end feel very vague and I hated it. Anything you can do to stiffen up a flexy bike is only going to make it better. Perhaps GT is just telling you tactfully to get a new bike? I plan on getting a new Stumpy when they become available.
@Shop Mechanic: Ummm…..I didn’t tell simenf to do anything to whatever bike he has. (I didn’t see where he indicated that he had a HiFi here)
My opinion was that on the 2008 HiFi I have here, the 120mm fork makes things worse because of how you would ride that fork, (more aggressively) and that the bike isn’t stiff enough in the rear end for harder trail riding.
While I agree that anything you do to stiffen up a flexy bike “can” make it better, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it “will”, or that – as in this example- it should be ridden as the travel of the fork might indicate it should be.
YMMV 🙂
No hard feelings GT, just a difference of opinion. Sometimes you just have to make due with what is available at the time. Just trying to help a brother out.
@Shop Mechanic: Agreed. Sometimes living with what you have is the best solution. 🙂
just curious what kind of psi were you running? I haven’t been able to get mine just right. either to soft or to firm. the recommend settings on the fork leg seem to be to high.
Another point to make about this fork is it has compatibility issues with certain hubs (DT 440, DT 340, Hurley, I9). I don’t know if you tried it with any other combo besides the Hope II (which seems to work fine), but IMO, Sram did not do their homework on specifiying an adequate tolerance range for the fork. This does not seem to be an issue with the other forks.
Cool down, guys 🙂
I ride a 2008 HiFi, but just wanted to det some more details since GT mentioned that he had tried it. No plans to change forks for me.
@GT: it is noticeable in how you describe the rear flex issue with the previous HiFis more recently compared to the HiFi review you did back in 2007. Back then it was not a big issue, but now it seems to make the bike serously flawed. I do understand that the current model is a different beast in terms of stiffness, but some of us bought our bikes back then assured by your review. Do you still stand by it? 😉
@hizzity: I was running the same pressures as what I ran in the first generation Reba. 150psi positive chamber/140psi negative chamber. I weigh 240lbs.
@Nevada 29er: Yup! Heard that as well. I didn’t get to run any other hub because I only had the one wheel set that was convertible to 20mm thru-axle during most of my test time. I now have two with another in the works. (Time to start on QR 15 too!)
@simenf: Interesting question. First of all, we can be paralyzed by thoughts of “there will be a better mouse trap” tomorrow, or we can ride today. I know which way I choose to think. 😉
That said, here are some excerpts from my “Top Ten Products of ’08” post on the HiFi Deluxe: ( http://twentynineinches.com/2008/12/28/top-ten-29er-products-of-08-fisher-bikes-hifi-deluxeg2-geometry/ )
“The HiFi Deluxe is a smartly spec’ed full suspension 29?er rig that has a few faults, …”
“Personally, I happen to think it could stand some improvements, especially to the swingarm,…..”
So, if folks were reading the reviews, then the swingarm was mentioned, and what I am saying now- in context of the realities of 2009/10- should make sense.
To directly answer your question: Yes.
I’ll toss in a couple of pennies. I thought that original Hifi 29er was a “magical” bike at the time. Since then I have ridden several bikes with ABP rears (which approximates a thru axle), and thru axle fronts. The stiffness of that style of bike is remarkable. I weigh 220 lbs and the improvement in lateral stiffness is really noticeable. The added flex of the big wheel makes a thru axle front shock a must have for my next suspended 29er.
Thanks guys for elaboating.
Just nice to make things relative to the day and age they were created. People who read such remarks today without prior knowledge might not get that. It is NOT meant to make the HiFi some sort of legend, just to keep in mind that most of us were actually impressed at the time.
All 170 lbs of me smile every time I get on it, especially after putting on Stouts and bombing the wet, rocky, rooty and slimy trails this time of year.
@simenf – I was impressed at the time too, with my 2008 HiFi 29 Plus, and I still am. Right now, it is doing fairly heavy trail duty (by my standards, anyway) on Stouts and awesomely ridid Flows/340s. Rumblefish looks interesting enough, but not so much as to make me give the old green thing up – not at all. I like my upgraded X9 drivetrain vs. the Rfish Shimano spec, and it is never at fault if things don’t go right on the trail.
The SF100 has, on the other hand, taken on the endurance role – it’s no slouch on drops either.
@Hizzity:
I’ve found this is the best way to set up the Reba; empty the negative air chamber. Set the positive, zero out your travel zip tie/ring and then bounce around like crazy, adjusting the amount of + air until you can just barely bottom out the fork. Then set the – pressure to either equal + pressure or 15 psi over. Set it over if you want more small bump compliance, = to if you want higher compression.
I’ve discovered this is at least a good 50 psi less than the recommended settings!
Hi,
Friend of mine is looking to buy Reba Team 29er. The problem is that he wants to have it 120mm of travel and QR not Maxle Lite. Does something like this exist at all?
Cheers!
I.
@IvanMTB: All Rock Shox Reba 29″er forks have internally adjustable travel by adding/removing spacers. A PDF file exists on SRAM/Rock Shox’s site that will show you how to do this. Any QR Reba 29″er can be increased to 120mm travel this way.
Cheers GT.
It is quite confusing because wherever I was looking description was saying All Travel 80-100 for QR versions.
Thanks!
I.