Ride Impressions: 2013 Specialized Carve Expert 29″er- by Grannygear
The Carve is a bike I know pretty well, but in single speed guise. Since we received the Carve Pro single speed frame last year, I have logged a lot of hours on that bike and I have been very happy with it. It fits me like it was made for me (and I struggle with that Lg vs XL decision, being a bit of a tweener), pedals great, and rides quite well for an aluminum frame. Unfortunately it was not a North America import for 2012. 2013 sees a Carve in single speed mode, but it is not a dedicated single speed, rather it can be converted to 1X use, and it comes as a complete bike with that new carbon Chisel rigid fork.
So it seemed like getting on a geared Carve would be just like old home week, but it was and it was not. The 2013 Specialized Carve Expert 29″er I rode gets the new Carve specific rims and wheels that, together with other refinements in drive train and a better fork, drops nearly 2.5 lbs from the 2012 version. That is quite a lot of weight to lose, especially in the rims and fork. Deore shifters move a Shimano XT rear derailleur and a SRAM X7 front derailleur though the 2×10 gear spread. The Carve Expert stays with Avid brakes where a lot of the upper end bikes are now Magura or Shimano for 2013.
The Reba RL fork with an handle bar mounted remote lock out is pretty sweet and the front hub gets the OS28 interface. The rear is a standard 135mm quick release. The Carves go to 100mm travel forks now, up from 80mm, and the head tubes were shortened to keep the angles the same from last year…71.5 Head/73 Seat . I run a 100mm fork (2010Fox F29) on my Carve single speed and I find the slightly slacker head tube angle to my liking, but the difference is pretty minimal.
On trail, the new wheels spin up pretty quick, all shod with the Ground Control tires F/R, and the bike moves out well, feeling racy enough. 29″ers really suffer if the wheels are heavy and the Carve did not seem at all to be hindered by the rolling stock. The Carve seems like a pretty good budget hard tail if you think you might want to race every so often and the Stumpjumpers are a bit more than you need or want. I do not have firm prices yet…working on that…so I cannot compare spec to spec across models and brands.
In the rocky, dusty trails at Snowbird, it took me a few techy sections to remember I was not on an full suspension. Once I adjusted my expectations a bit, I was very aware I was back on an aluminum hard tail and the Carve was pinging from rock to rock enough to slow me down, 100mm fork and all. I am sure I had more air in the tires than the 26-28 lbs I normally run on the single speed Carve and this trail’s edgy rocks gardens had me thinking 2.3s at a bit less pressure would be nice. As well, I was having trouble trusting the Ground Controls here as they were not quite the tire that the Purgatories were on the last bikes, the Camber and the FSR. The next bike I will report on, another hard tail, was so different here, that I was struck by the contrast. More on that later.
So the changes for 2013 are pretty significant on the Expert model, much more than paint and graphics. The Carve is good looking, has the aggressive angles of the Stumpjumpers but gets slightly shorter top tubes and slightly longer chain stays. Since the Carve goes way down the price point line compared to the Stumpjumpers, it has to be on the list of budget minded buyers that still want something that looks and handles like a grown up 29″er hard tail. It is still a decently compliant frame for an aluminum bike but it does not completely transcend the typical expectations of oversize aluminum tubes and that pays off in direct handling, responsive pedaling, and a bit of trail chatter to the rider.
Next up, the Stumpjumper S Works hard tail where I find myself surprised and impressed, but for different reasons.
Can you please elaborate on your comment about this frame and singlespeed? Can it be converted?
@Dave…sorry, I was mixing bikes up a bit. This bike is geared only as are most Carves, but there is a model, the Carve SL that comes as an SS with the rigid Chisel fork, a normal (full width free hub) with spacers, and provisions for a rear der and cabling…no front der option. That SL model can be converted to 1×10. It has the EBB for chain tensioning in SS guise. No frame only option as far as I know, but that may be something to check with your Specialized dealer on.
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Thanks GG, we await the SJHT S-Works review with baited breath!
Any chance of a Carve SL review?
@Rupert3K…that review got caught in traffic. Soon though. If the cards are dealt right and the stars align, GT will be on a Carve SL in the wilds of Iowa.
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Finally saw your last comment Grannygear. Awesome, looking forward to the Carve SL review!!
Do you think thata Carve could be also for tourism maybe changing the tyres?
Thanks
Massimo
@Massimo…you mean touring? No, I would not suggest that if you are thinking loaded with racks etc.
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What is the weight of the bike? Is it worth the extra $$ to go for this over the Carve comp?
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Matt
@Matt…no weight taken. As to it being worth it over the Expert…well, if you prefer Shimano over SRAM shifting or vice versa…there is that. There is also the Reba VS. Recon and the slight brakes and saddle upgrade. Likely worth the $200.00 increase, but that is really up to you.
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I’m looking for a 29er hardtail that would work for the Death Ride (road ride, 129 miles and 16k climbing) and, if I qualify, to do Leadville. My budget is $1k to $1500. Suggestions??
Thanks!
Do you think the 2.3 GC would have been better or did it just leave you wishing for the Purg?
@Justin…I am running the 2.3 GCs F/R on an SS now and I like them in that application. The 2.3 seems to put more rubber on the ground, as you would expect, and I find it a much better tire all around over the 2.1 version. I am not a fan of the 2.1 GC as a front tire.
I like the new Purgs very much but I have been using a 2.3 Butcher Control on the front of the long term Camber and I like it best of all as a traction monster…might be overkill for the hard tail or not.
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Do you notice significantly more rolling resistance with the Purg vs the GC 2.3? I keep going back and forth being a budget mountain biker. Need a new front tire as my old tread style bontrager 29-2 2.1 doesn’t cut it on the front for me when riding in central California (Santa Barbra, Lompoc, San Louis Obispo, etc).
@Justin…hmmm…the new Purg rolls really well actually…not sure I could pick a winner there. The Purg is heavier.
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Hi! just found this great review of the Carve, congrats!
Here is my question: I have a Stumpjumper FSR very well specced (Crossmax ST, Talas, Brain…), it´s a great ALL-round (“All” in caps because I use it for enduro rides to maraton racing). Would there be a big difference to race marathons (I have one in mind with 165 km and 4800 uphill meters) with mi SJ with fast tires, longer stem an flat bar (little over 12 kgs) and a stock Carve Expert? Weight would be more or less the same, flat would be Carve territory, but in loooong climbs (the important part of the track) which bike would be best?
Thanks!
Hi! just found this great review of the Carve, congrats!
Here is my question: I have a 26″ Stumpjumper FSR very well specced (Crossmax ST, Talas, Brain…), it´s a great ALL-round (“All” in caps because I use it for enduro rides to maraton racing). Would there be a big difference to race marathons (I have one in mind with 165 km and 4800 uphill meters) with mi SJ with fast tires, longer stem an flat bar (little over 12 kgs) and a stock Carve Expert? Weight would be more or less the same, flat would be Carve territory, but in loooong climbs (the important part of the track) which bike would be best?
Thanks!
BTW: my Stumpy is a twentysixer 😉
@Ignatious…hard to deny what a hardtail does for you on a smooth climb. Just fast and efficient. But comparing any FS to any HT is apples and oranges and is hard to make a comparison IMO.
grannygear
Specialized (Tay Junction) Singapore (ask for Jace – she is brilliant) just imported one in my size. Will put a rear rack on and use it to tour Myanmar, Philippines and Cambodia. For training, will regularly go with Goshen Cycling Tours in Cambodia.
You mention that you often “struggle with that Lg vs XL decision” but that this bike fits you well, however you didn’t say in the article which size you went for?
@J-P…XL.
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Interesting, thanks!
I’ve been looking for a 29er as my first mountain bike and am unsure about what size I should be getting. All the various manufacturer’s tables put me very definitely on an L, 19″..20″, 48..50cm or so frame, as I am 179cm with instep about 85cm, but when trying that size frame I have the seat almost all the way out, significantly higher than the handlebars and I feel somewhat cramped. If I try the next size frame up, the feeling is immediately much more comfortable but I’m left with very little stand over room, and with some makes the feeling that the bike is too long to control properly.
Yesterday I looked at the 2014 Crave Expert; the shop put me on an XL immediately, and it felt really good. I had a ride around the test track and even (I think) left the ground over the sharper hummocks without ever feeling that I was going to loose control or fall off. The salesman said that it looked just fine, I had the seat up so far that he wouldn’t think the smaller “L” size would be good at all, but if anything the frame could be 1cm shorter for a perfect fit but I’d have to accept some sort of small compromise anyway.
BUT.. I didn’t get to try the L as they didn’t have one ready (these 2014 bikes have just arrived here) and reading more widely people are giving very solid arguments for having more standover height than this XL was giving me. Also, I don’t feel myself to be an odd shape at all – longish arms and legs maybe but certainly not disproportionally so, so I can’t really believe that the manufacturers tables could possibly put me on too small a bike, and L is probably the size I should be on, with my bum in the air… aaarrghhh, it’s so frustrating!