I am in a situation that I have not been in for some time…years, actually. I am without an ‘all-rounder’ 29er FS bike to ride. I have a Fat Bike, a Plus Bike, a SS 29er, a gravel bike, and a road bike. Yeah..I know…poor little Grannygear.
But I still need a bike for general purpose rides; for epic days on trail. Many road trips require a pretty do-all bike, as much as that exists in reality. And the one I had been using for some time just got sold to someone who really liked riding it and actually fit on it better than I. So I have a decision to make. Based on a set of requirements that apply to me, but maybe not you, I am shopping for a new whip.
Here is what I have set as parameters to go by:
- Not too big…not too small. Where is that ‘momma bear’ sweet spot in travel and capability? That depends on you. And in my case, that means long days on open fireroads, typically with a lot of elevation gain, relatively open and fast trails over rocky and semi-rough ground, and the ability to be fun even when things get a bit steep and foolish.
- 29″ wheels. Yep…no brainer here.
- Weight: Well, I draw the line at 30lbs. At that point and beyond, it gets pretty hard to enjoy it on long ascents and longer days, especially if you are trying to make good time. 25lbs is a pretty amazing place to be, weight wise, on a 29er FS, but that takes a lot of cash. I have found that 27-28lbs is a pretty good number to shoot for, and a modern 29er FS with good parts spec can hit that and not break the bank in a big way.
- To carbon or not to carbon? Well, yes, I think carbon is pretty hard to beat for this deal. Now alu CAN be really, really, good and bikes like that Niner RIP9 Hydroformed and the Gen 2 Salsa Spearfish 1 showed that aluminum is hardly relegated to Wal Mart. Just look at what Specialized is doing with the Smartweld Allez road frames. But that is not the trend and with some good reasons. The way you can shape carbon; the weight to stiffness ratio; the toughness…wow. Hard to beat. Yes, it will cost more, but to get that weight target, carbon lets me begin with a 1/2 to 3/4 pound head start.
- It has to pedal well, but in a way I want it to. I am not fond of bikes that are super active when you pedal them as it does not really play well for my style and terrain. If I were riding up stepped, rocky, or rooted trails, then I would want to be able to sit and just have the bike soak all that nonsense up while I pedaled like a crazed hamster. But super active is not the thing for a 2 hour fireroad climb. I also like to get out of the saddle and climb, so too active a bike suspension can be a bit ‘busy’.
- Yet, I do need it to deal with pretty high speeds and reasonably rough trails. Thankfully there are many flavors in FS designs today to choose from and that ability for find something that matches your predilections is not too hard to do.
- Boost or not to Boost? Boost is certain to become the de-facto ‘standard’ for at least the near future, but I have a lot of nice wheels around that do not work with that new sizing.
- Plus capable? Do I want to have a bike that can swap between 27.5+ and 29″? Do I care enough about that to spend the cash for another set of wheels/tires/rotors/cassette, etc? It sounds good, buuuutt….
So that is where I am. I am already shopping and the parts and decisions are being made as you read this. It is a sweet time to be in this predicament, as I have lots of options to choose from. But my goal is to do this without getting too far into the stratosphere cost wise. I have some parts around I want to use and some I do not, so the build will be a bit eclectic. And if I go the direction I am thinking about, the frame choice will likely surprise you.
Stay tuned for the outcome.
But I am curious…if you were in my size 45 So Cal shoes, what would you do? I would like to hear from you.
Similarly I was also looking for a do-it-all bike for all day rides, got a closeout on a 2015 Trek Superfly FS 9.8 SL. Just under 24 pounds before pedals and Garmin mount. 24.4 pounds ready to ride, love it. Price was great, bike is great. Not looking back.
Rocky Mountain Instinct is an often overlooked bike. I appreciate mine more every time i ride other bikes. That said, if I was shopping for a replacement, I might look at the Turner Czar.
My TallBoy 2 works really well for XC marathon riding I do. I run mine with a 120mm fork and carbon rims. It’s tough so I’m not worried about rocky ground, and comfortable for long 14+ hour rides.
If I was looking for a replacement, I’d look at this again, or maybe the Czar.
Turner Sultan
Evil Following. Hands down best short travel 29er. I’ve tried Ripley Gen 1 & Banshee Phantom and the Following does everything they do and more. Doesn’t fit Plus rubber but it’s so capable with regular trail tyres it doesn’t matter.
That new SC Hightower looks preeeetty badass.
I would suggest the Specialized S Works Epic. Very light and stiff and the brain suspension is great once its dialed in. I have two of them one for racing and one for everyday riding I wouldn’t trade them for anything except for another one.
May not make the weight cut off, but I freaking love my Banshee Phantom. It is the best 29er I’ve ever owned. Adjustable, stiff, great suspension–and efficient to boot. Not an XC racer by any means, but an absolute blast to ride. Some reports of being able to 650B+ it as well.
I’ve been really happy with my ripley. I switched from a 2010 spec enduro 26 with a very active 160mm of travel. I was aiming for a 140mm 29er but after test riding the ripley I couldn’t imagine a better bike for me. The main reason I wanted a new bike was because my fitness deteriorates more every year and I wanted a bike to make climbing easier, and I’d rely on my years of bmx and mtb to to handle the downhills. Well, the Ripley definitely makes long climbs more enjoyable and it rides well on the descents once I made a few component changes.
I could recommend a ripley to anyone with a clear conscience. It really pedals well both seated and standing. They released the LS not long after I got mine and I’m sure I would’ve got that instead because it suits my riding style better.
I also would think that the pivot 429 trail would work good for your requirements.
Kona HeiHei DL Trail…. Rolls like a lightweight Process, with all kinds of great reviews too. Goes us as good as it goes down. The trail setup is epic ride friendly, the XC setup is efficient. Spend the dough you save on a great set of Derby Carbon wheels.
Another vote for the Ripley – mine is the first generation, with a 140mm PIKE and DBInline, about 27.5 pounds. Does everything, and is so much fun to ride.
Hmmm. Fun place to be, you. : )
Skewing to your more marathon / all day long-ride tastes, I’d say either a Tallboy with a 140 mm (!) fork or a Pivot 429 Trail.
My riding style / preference is identical to yours, and over time, I’ve decided that circa 130-140 in front, 100-110 in back and a HT angle of around 68, with a good pedaling’ dual link FS design, is a really, really. nice place to be.
That’s just my $0.02, but since you asked…
; )
I don’t like to say any bike is better than another (other than the Ripley IS better than the Jet 9 RDO and the RIP 9 RDO), but you’re insane to not try the Ripley Original Geo and LS.
Nice place to be.
I’m looking to demo as much as I can for a longer travel 27.5 or 27.5+ (Blasphemy I know, but the Ripley will be my everyday bike)
Second the vote for Rocky Mountain Instinct. Extremely capable bike.
I have had my eye on the Yeti ASR Enduro. For only $400 more than the Kona Hei Hei DL Trail, you get full carbon and at 25.5 pounds right out of the box.
And I will 2nd. the Evil Following! I put 4300 miles on my Evil in just one year and can vouch for how well it climbs and descends! Amazing bike and of all the bikes I own the one I pick to ride most of the time.
Another vote for the Evil Following.
Maybe you don’t need rear suspension anymore for the kind of riding you’ll be doing. Plus wheels/tires and a good fork like a Fox 34 Plus would work on a carbon frame…but no one is making one like the Torrent or a Stache and I haven’t measured the chainstay space on the Procal which would only go to 120mm. Sea Otter should bring more choices I hope.
…just finished building my new Remedy carbon 29. 29.3lbs including pedals, 2×11 drivetrain and wide carbon rims.
Haven’t tried it yet, but i think this bike will be quite versatile. I will use it for rides in the Nethelands’flatlands, to an occasional enduro event.
The 140mm rear travel (a german magazine even measured 150) combined with the Reaktiv damper should make for good dh performance and uphill efficiency.
The Pike 150mm DP can be lowered to 120mm, let’s see if i can use it as an all day riding setting for smooth terrain. 🙂
and with boost f/r, I even might be able to fit some B+ wheels in there!
I was in your shoes a couple weeks ago. Even had the same ss, fat bike, and plus size bike in the garage. I wanted something for marathon xc racing and long rides. After about 6 months of test rides and research I decided on a Pivot Mach 429 sl with a rs-1 and carbon wheels. This is my fastest bike and it’s great for a wide range of conditions. I enjoy some trail feel and my tires don’t get any higher than 3ft off the ground. After installing a dropper post it does a good job on descents. Happy bike shopping!
Granny I’m sure you already have something in mind. I’m one of the few people who probably gets to try out as many bikes as you do and I know one bike that I spent some time on that you were probably already thinking. 2016 Specialized Stumpjumper fsr Carbon Expert. It works with your wheels. It pedals more efficiently than a bike with that much travel should. Not super light at just under 28 lbs for a size large but does feel lighter when pedaling. I like a bike to pedal like an xc bike and still descend well and the only other bike I rode that was as good is the Yeti sb4.5c with the firm tune. It was impressive everywhere and really felt like an xc bike climbing except for the head angle but water bottle mount in a horrible spot and full Boost. Also I’m 6’2 and both in size large fit great.