Grannygear and I are back from the first day of the Outdoor Demo and are wind blown, dusty, and sunburned, but we had some fun checking out all of the following, which we now present………
Salsa Cycles revealed their long awaited drop bar suited for off road pursuits. It’s called the Woodchipper and it will be out sometime in December. Two bar clamp sizes, two widths, and bar end shifter compatible. This one is mounted to Great Divide Race finishers Joe Meiser’s Fargo. It is the wide version. Look for more on this bar soon!
Devin Lenz was on hand building more of his most recent “DH” bikes which as he promised, now actually has a name. “PBJ” or “Park Bike Jam”. Devin says it was a take off on the old Lunchbox name. What we have here is one seriously long travel 29″er! We didn’t see one built in our size in the morning, but we hope to score one ride before we leave.
Yes there were 29 inch Dissent 29 tires floating about. (Along with 29″er Dorado forks!) Honestly, this tire is really knobby, but doesn’t look all that huge. We’ll try to get something more definite on size, but for now the “eye ball” measurements aren’t overwhelming. Definitely impressive though. This tire has seriously mean looking knobs!
We stopped by and took a look at the Banshee Paradox. It is a hard tail that is optimized for a 140mm travel fork. The rear of the bike is interesting in that it has incredibly short chain stays, and the seat tays and chain stays are internally ribbed making them very stout for aggressive riding styles that this bike is intended for. What my pictures may not show here is the great orange metal flake paint that caught my eye and the highly polished aluminum. This bike is sharp looking. Oh yeah, and it is Hammerschmidtable. (I know that isn’t really a word, but you know what I mean!)
We tested a couple Jamis 650B full suspension rigs. The impressions on these bikes from Grannygear and I will come later. Stay tuned! Short and sweet? Fun bikes but with a few technical short comings in comparison to others.
Foes B-29 was on hand, and only in a size medium for testing. (Drat!) So we asked about the rig and found out that a few minor tweaks are yet in store for improvements. Hopefully we will be getting a chance to swing a leg over a proper sized B-29 in the near future.
Looks like GT Bikes replaced the old Marathon 29 with this Sensor model. Hopefully we’ll track one down and get a ride tomorrow.
Jamis has a cool carbon rig named the D-29 which we really liked alot. Fast, light, and racy. We’ll have more to say about this rig soon too.
This bike was the hit of our day. The Santa Cruz Tall Boy is dialed. Climbing, descending, and in almost every aspect, this bike is highly refined. (As well it should be considering the pedigree and price!) At any rate, we’re very impressed with the way Santa Cruz’s first twenty niner rides. Oh yeah, they even had tall boys in the booth to celebrate after the ride! (More on the Tall Boy impressions later)
Tomac Bikes had their new 29″er out on display. Called the Flint 29, it features aluminum construction and a eccentric bottom bracket for geared or single speed applications.
Norco had a hard tail 29″er in their booth with some wild graphics that were hard to read, so we couldn’t figure out what the name of it was!
Cielo, which is Chris King’s custom brand, was showing a 23lb steel hard tail in the Chris King booth. The 29″er is gaining strength with Cielo and we can expect to see more of these custom rigs in the future.
The Raliegh XXIX Pro, again a limited edition bike with a 853 Reynolds steel frame, was another of today’s outstanding rides. look for a breakdown on this one soon.
Grannygear was pretty impressed with this Specialized S-Works carbon Stumpjumper. He’ll be giving his impressions on it soon.
Stay tuned for Day Two of the Outdoor Demo coming soon!
Thanks you two for the great coverage of Outdoor Demo. Just one note: I have the Banshee Pardadox which is a fantastic handling bike!!! It is designed around a 120mm travel fork however, not 140 as you stated. Keep up the good work.
Boy, I sure wish I was there instead of here. It’s raining! We need it though.
Have you seen any of the new Specy SS bikes?
Thanks for the great coverage!!
Keep it, please include geometry and specs, if possible. Will anxiously await any info on 29er specific components.
Great coverage guys!!
Apparently that Norco is called a Jubei, whatever that means.
That new GT fully looks promising. Foes – they should just scrap that B-29 project altogether.
Read your HiFi report word for word, and am anxiously awaiting your initial reactions and eventual review of an Epic. One of those will be in my arsenal by the new year. Thanks for the I-Bike write-ups. Yours is my go-to site for 29er news.
Excellent report.
I’ve read the Rawland will have their Drakkar their, and it’s configurable as either a 29er or 650B. Any sightings of it yet?
FWIW, Jubei is a Japanese given name that’s been used by various Anime-type characters.
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Great Report, cant wait to hear some reports once you get some saddle time in. Foes with only medium size frames? whats up with that!
report and pics are great…Thanks!
Any of these frames using the trek/fisher g2 geometry or 51 mm fork offset tech that was discussed in detail last week?
Great coverage. I’m keen on the Salsa bars for sure! Is it me- or are they similar to their current bar shipped on the Fargo? I mean- are they like the Midge? Oh- and you might want to optimize your images a bit more- those thumbs load a 5mb image!
…yeah nearly 100MB of images for this post!
Personally. I like the huge pictures.
I second the vote for the big bike pr0n pictures. That’s as close as I will be to a Tallboy for a long while.
What’s up with that stem on the Cielo? I see that is an Edge but I wonder if it is carbon? 🙂 Is that and Edge seatpost too?
I just do not see the 29 working in the DH world. Maybe bighit freeride stuff is a better sell
@Captain Bob: No Specialized SS bikes at the Demo. Yes, the Edge stem is there, but that bike had a “Pro” by Shimano post on it.
@AZDrawdy: The Epic, well…..is more of a endurance/big ride rig that “could be” raced XC where as the HiFi is definitely more XC race oriented to my mind. YMMV
@Hal: I saw Rawland’s new bar on a bike, but no Rawland bikes proper at the demo.
@dspeed: Nope! Only Fisher is using a G2 geometry fork/front end on 29″ers.
@Paul: No, the Woodchipper is in no way like Salsa’s Bell Lap, the bar currently spec’ed on the Fargo. The Woodchipper is most like a mix of a Midge and the original WTB Drop bar.
I’m working my sources to try to get a sample of the Woodchipper for the Ballyhoo… We’ll see if I can succeed. 😉
Great post, my friend. Thanks for making me feel almost like I’m there!
Cheers,
MG
This is going to make for some great tests/posts – comparisons of the carbon SS’s, the carbon HTs, the carbon FS’s. There are at least 2 of each and a growing herd of hardtails!! Can’t wait.
So Santa Cruz has made a 29er! Didn’t I read a few years ago that they emphatically stated they would NEVER make a 29er?
Anyway, good stuff! Those Dissent tires look they will be the answer to the question a lot have been asking.
huuummmm the tall boy really didn’t it for me… coulda been a sizing thing but felt twichy when going slow and then when going fast felt slow ?!?!
but just my .02
So how about that detailed report on the FS Specialized 29er products?, a lot of ink has been written on the Gary Fisher offerings, not much on the new Epic and Stumpjumper FS 29er??
How do you define “Endurance/Big Ride” on the Epic 29er?
Thanks!,
@Moises: The detailed ride reports are in process. Specifically I am waiting for Grannygear to forward me all his thoughts, then I’ll add mine, make the posts, edit them, and put them on-line. Look for stuff to show up next week.
“Big Ride” is essentially saying “all day ride” or multi-hour ride. Endurance ride speaks for itself, I think.
@Guitar Ted,
Thanks for the update, looking forward to the full report.
I am surprised at your characterization of the Epic 29er as “Endurance” or “All day”. I am currently riding a 26″ Epic, an XC racing rig, and am looking at the 29 as replacement.
Are you saying the steering is too slow?, suspension too plush?, I’d think the Stumpy 29er FSR would fit that role, not the Epic!
As I said, looking forward to the report and how it compares to the Superfly 100!
Agrees Moises.
I rode a 26″ Stumpy FSR from ’06 until Jan of this year. Loved it. Went to a C-Dale Caffeine 29er and am 100% sold on the 29er concept, but am ready for an FS .
My LBS has steered me away from the Stumpy 29er, and as a matter of fact they don’t even want to stock them. They want me on an Epic 29er. My other LBS says the ’10 HiFi is the shiznit. I want an aggressive platform to take the brunt of roots and rocks for a 2 – 4 hour ride.
Waiting on some good reports!
MD
@ Moises @ AZDrawdy
This is from the 2010 Specialized catalog on the Epic 29″er Marathon: “…….a custom tuned 100mm travel RockShox Reba SL 29er fork and smooth rolling 29″ wheels, the Epic 29er makes ALL DAY RIDING and racing feel second nature.” (Caps to underscore my point)
With that description from Specialized’s own catalog and the name “Marathon” in the model’s name, I think that saying it is a great enduarance, all day machine is justified.
It is true that the 26″ers are characterized very differently by Specialized. In this case, I am in agreement with their assessment.
Thanks Guitar Ted,
Just read your last post on mtbr.com on the Tall Boy-Epic 29er-Superfly!… I guess I’ll just have to find me a demo and go try them out!
Funny how things get complicated when we have too many great choices (at $4-5K a pop!!)
I am glad you concur with Specialized’s assessment. I wonder sometimes if they just differentiate the 29er Epic to not cannibalize any 26 Epic sales.
Did you ride the blinged out Epic 29er or the $2800 Comp?, was the Tall Boy $2000 better?
Will stay tuned!
@Moises: We got to ride the blinged out Marathon version. Is the TallBoy $2000.00 better. Hmmm……..yeah, that’s a great question.
The Santa Cruz is almost perfect, and a technological tour de force. Hard not to love that. You know, it’s like asking whether you would just settle for a Corvette C6 or go for the Porsche/Ferrari.
But for those who can’t reach a Tall Boy, you are not giving up much with a Epic 29″er. Not much at all.