EURO NEWS – by “c_g”
And here come the next piece on 29er news from Europe – this time without doing much intro and getting right into it ? – some news with emphasis on Italy.
• FRM /BOR –lightweight innovation from Italy and Germany:
The last time we have heard from FRM/BOR concerning 29er was when they were doing the small production run of tubular 29er rims based on their XMD308 tub 26” rims. Now we hear about several new 29er specific products to come from this little high end manufacturer. Probably the most exciting news for many weight conscious 29er riders will be the announcement to revive the XMD 333 rim in its 29er version – two years ago this rim had been discontinued and replaced later by the slightly heavier and more simply constructed XMD 388 29er rim (see my reviews on it here). Now it has its returned for competition oriented light weight racers and front wheel applications. No word on weight limits or further details, but it is said to weigh near 355 to 360g per eyeleted and joint-welded high end alloy rim.
One other product would be FRMs double chainring set with 29er adapted sizes to retrofit most 4-arm triple cranks. Many riders are switching from triple to a customized double set up, mixing and matching to their desire. FRM is now offering it all in one package (including some spacers to compensate for the missing outer ring). The rings tooth count is taking the bigger wheel diameter of 29ers into account – thus it comes in 25 and 36 teeth.
Then there is their first offering of complete wheels with FRMs new URANO disk hubs and the XMD388 29er rims at a respectable claimed weight of 1580 g, which are also available for Lefty front forks.
To me the most interesting news is this one: The FRM single 36-tooth alloy cog:
While others have been discussing the dilemma of being forced to go 10-speed if you wanted to enjoy the benefits of a 36 toothed cog (or go heavy duty), there have been little options for 36 teeth on 9-speed cassettes. Entering the stage now is FRM with their single additional 36 tooth cog to slide behind the cassette, doing away with the small 11-tooth cog.
For optimal performance use it is to only be used with 11-32 cassettes, not the 11-34 ones. Available in anodized gold and red, the cog has a claimed weight of 57gm. The cog is said to be XTR- and XX- specific but being a individual unit with its own engagement to the hub body, I see no reason why it shouldn’t work with other cassette designs also. I am hoping to get a set of them as soon as possible and let you know if and how they work with other cassettes.
• GAS Ventinove – the all 29er bike company from Italy:
Finally Gas29s new website is online – check out the all new design, and image & info filled site at www.gas29.com. Requested by some, here we have the update on Gas29s new bike the TITANICA 2. Here are the specs given to us by Gas29:
• Geometry as Stambek race and Steelcarbon, designed to fit rigid, 80 mm and 100 mm suspension forks.
• Frame ís all European designed and built.
• Tubing is all 3Al-2.5V alloy, single butted.
• Weight is approximately 1700 grams in size Medium!
(“We have chosen to make a muscular and stiff frame – which still rides very comfortably – to avoid torsion problem of other titanium frames!”)
Here come the images to back up their claims: Traditional and somewhat conservative at first glance you can see a lot of tube manipulation going on to create the geometry, fit and ride characteristics that Gas29 wants the TITANICA 2 to have.
These detail shots show the “muscular design” of the frame for maximum torsional stiffness. Tire clearance shouldn’t be a problem with the Titanica 2 – 2.4 tires are said to fit with ease.
One fast build of GAS29s TITANICA.
Four sizes S, M, L and XL will be available at a. The frame alone is priced at € 1400.- with two
frame/fork/wheel kits available between € 2099.- and 2299.- (for US pricing, which due to different
taxation is usually very interesting, write GAS29 for a quote).
• GEAX – the Italian based tire company with a love for 29er
Last but not least GEAX has announced the introduction of yet another 29er tread, the AKA. After having been hugely successful in its 26 inch version in XC and dirt applications it has been tested successfully this year as a prototype by endurance/marathon rider Lorenza Menapace (sponsored by
GEAX, NINER and others, and is collecting title after title on them) and now we see the newest tread pattern the AKA making its debut as a 29er tire.
Here is GEAXs description of the AKA tread pattern:
“Give it a try on rocks, gravel, sand and even grass and you won’t find out another one competing on the same level of grip and low rolling resistance. The Aka has born to cover those situations where the knobs have to penetrate the ground without digging it, offering an amazing grip without slowing the wheel down even on the toughest terrains as gravel or grass. The side knobs design is taken directly from the proven Gato ones, to provide the same reliable and perfoming side grip
that’s already famous and well known in to the market despite its young age.”
Expect the tire to be available in 29 x 2.2 hopefully in tubeless ready (Geax calls them “TNT”) and folding and carry a similar weight as their Saguaro 29 x 2.2. (Editors Note: I have had some time on the 26-inch AKAs and they really are a grippy and fast beast – looking forward to their 29er version ?)
Has anyone tried that FRM 36 cog. Anybody got any thoughts on the durability of a large alloy cog. Most of the majors bigger cogs use steel or Ti in this area?
@milto: Actually, a 36T cog on an XX cassette is aluminum, and Grannygear and I have both used that cassette with no issues. A larger cog lasts longer than a smaller cog does anyway, and having a 36T cassette cog made from aluminum shouldn’t be an issue in terms of reliability and wear if it is a well engineered/manufactured piece.
Shimano uses titanium in the XTR cassette and steel on the XT cassettes with a 36T low gear.
c_g-great post! I guess 29’rs ARE catching on in Europe. FRM stuff looks interesting, if only the company wasn’t so difficult to deal with. I have had some stuff on order for the last 4 months. Their distributor says they usually send stuff “when they feel like it”, thanks a lot…….
Hi there is a steel 36 tooth cassette available that is listed in ebay. You can use 8 or 9 speed cassette. I am currently trying, lx 11-36 , but also curious about having a tighter ratio cassette making a hybrid using aftermarket ring . Currently the ratio drops 4 teeth from 36 to 32 on shimano cassette. Fine tuning cassette options should make a sweet ride.
Some good info here, as usual.
Can’t wait to get my hands on the AKA, and I really hope that FRM makes their version of Flow rim.
P.S. Thanks for info on Titanica !
milto: I am hoping to get my hands (or better: my chain) on one of the FRM/BOR cogs but no expereince so far.
Ojos Azules: I promised you, didn´t I?! 😉
I need those aka tires badly! Are they available now?
Will a non-10 speed derailleur have enough throw to work with that 36t cog?
Why would it not work with a 34t cassette?
That would be the bee’s knees if it could work on most existing 9 speed components and the red one would look nice paired with an X0 cassette….
Hmm, tempted to buy just to see if it can be done. When will it go on sale? Europe only purchase? Chain Reaction Cycles for us across the pond? I love these geeky rumor posts, but it seems like never or forever for these things to see the light of day.
captain bob: I was given late January as the planned date of availability for the GEAX 29er AKAs – maybe not as quickly as you might like but good for a product that is only going to be introduced this fall.
chuck1971: The throw or capacity of a derailleur is not only depending on the cassette size in use but also on the chainring sizes on your bike. The capacity of a derailleur is expressed in teeth – long cage ones have around 45 teeth, while mid cage ones do have 36-37 teeth.
The capacity needed for your desired configuration can easily be calculated by this formula: (large chainring – small chainring) + (biggest cog – smallest cog). If you do the math for a 3 x 9 configuration with the 36 tooth cog you end up needing a capacity of 44 meaning most long cage derailleurs are capable to handle it. So the answer needs to be: Check the capacity of your specific derailleur and you will know. In most cases you are fine with a long cage derailleur.
But keep in mind this is purely mathematical and does include cross-chaining so if you are a bit careful (or you are running 2 x 9 or even 1 x 9) you might even get away with mid cage derailleurs. 😉 and the 36 tooth cog.
It probably will work with a 34 cassette but the increment from 34 to 36 then would be smaller than sensible, thus the advice to use it with a 32 cassette.
I know what youre saying with these new products and sometimes it is frustrating to lust for something that is not or only in the very distant future going to be available – but it is your choice: Either we bring cutting edge news to you (which I think is great fun) showing trends and even rumors (some of which ae bound to be dead ends) or we stick to the known and proven. I am all for the first option … are you, too?
Why not shoot FRM a e-mail asking them when and where to get it?
Thanks c_g!
I tried for a couple of days trying to find a way to get FRM stuff in the states. I first found about FRM from a Aussie poster on MTBR who has a incredibly light 429.
The 29″ AKA looks nice. My LBS has the 26″ version – great looking tire indeed. Love that Gas29…..Thanks for the Euro update!
Found the FRM cog site:
http://www.frmbike.biz/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=341&category_id=67&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26
Found this there as well: “WARNING: the conversion is not compatible with 11-34 cogsets”
Found this site in Germany with US shipping options, but “two week” expectation of arrival for the part in question:
http://www1.hibike.com/main.php?sessionID=A9688fe172e9b471bab25c3afc378e0ab&method=m_product&productID=83e9b05a8dc8646373398894f2e8214e#
I wonder how the rolling resistance is on asphalt. Also, how are these tires weight wise? I know we only have the 26er to reference, but in general, is it a lighter tire?
Thanks for the updates! Rumors….as long as they aren’t about me keep em coming!
I opened an Australian MTB mag recently to see the FRM cranks and 36T front and centre in the ‘What’s New’ section. It certainly looks the goods and would love to try the 36T in particular. It seems the Australian distributor for FRM is really trying to promote the brand here which is great but just wish it was a tad cheaper!
Those new Geax treads look great. Just interested to see what it would be like as a front tyre. Probably a bit sketchy by the look of the pics but you never know…
Thanks for the Euro update c_g. Some interesting stuff coming out of Europe now…
I absolutely am looking forward to getting a set of the GEAX AKA tires. Those look awesome.
Thanks for the info you guys provide. I used to hit Mtbr,com fequently. No more. Your site is my daily go-to.
here is some update from DT-SWISS
(regarding questrions on the recent EURO News article):
Here are the suggested retail prices fort he recently introduced components:
XRR 445 or 470: EUR 356.00, USD 445.00 per rigid fork (& steerer tube plug)
M 1800 29er: EUR 502.00, USD 615.00 per wheel set
– the rear uses DT´s Star ratched system
– there is a suggested maximum rider weight of 100kg or 220 lbs
bye, c_g
Is there a distributor for FRM in the states? The FRM 36T kit is pricey. By the time it is shipped from over there somewhere it will cost in the range of $100. Could be worth it.
Re: the 36T cog
Will 9sp mechs go to 36T ? The maximum cog size specified for the X.0 9sp is 34T.
Anyboth used the FRM 36T with 9sp mechs ?
@Tim: A 9spd derailleur should have no issues handling a 36t cog.