First Impressions: 2013 Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon 29 SS- by Grannygear
First Impressions: 2013 Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon 29 SS- by Grannygear
I was very curious to contrast the new Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon 29 single speed frame against the Carve Pro SS that I had been on for most all of last season’s single speed riding. I really liked the Carve and found it to be the first aluminum frame that I had enjoyed riding for long hours at a time. I did a 60 mile race on it across cactus lined sections of the Arizona trail and never felt like I was getting hammered. It was reasonably compliant, decently stiff pedaling, not expensive, reliable as far as eccentric bottom bracket use and it handled well across a variety of conditions. It also was not expensive to purchase…IF you could find it as it was not sold in North America for 2012 and it seems to be the same for 2013, if it exists at all anymore.
So it was with that idea in mind, compare and contrast, that I decided to move most all of the parts from the Carve SS to the Stumpy SS. So that meant the moldy oldie Fox F29 100mm fork with 15QR, the American Classic SS wheels, the Specialized 2.3 Ground Control tires (tubeless), as well as the cranks, gearing, brakes, etc.
I did add four new parts. FSA makes some pretty cool stuff in carbon and a set of the SL-K CSI flat bars in 740mm wide (beautiful UD carbon wrapped over aluminum) and an SL-K 100mm forged alu stem with a carbon faceplate make for a great looking tiller set. An SL-K 27.2mmX400mm zero set back seat post rounded out the FSA goodies. I weighed the parts as 240g for the 740mm wide bars uncut (740mm = 29″ wide…how appropriate), the stem was 157g and the seat post was 216g. They are very, very nicely finished with the UD carbon construction and shiny top coat. The bars have a grippy section where the stem clamps on and they are marked for cutting if you want to shorten them. These will be the widest bars I have ever used and I am curious how that will work out for the single speed. The Stumpy frame includes a swanky S Works seat post in carbon, but the set back was a bit aggressive for me and besides, I liked the look of the FSA post better and it matched the stem and bars. Bolted to the nice two bolt seat post head (I have hated some of the new single bolt clamp designs of late) was a new WTB Volt Team Edition with Ti rails. c_g wrote about this here, so see what he and Mark Slate, WTB guru, had to say about this new perch.
I used a PF30 to GPX adapter to get the SRAM GPX type 175mm single speed crank in there…gearing is my typical 34Tx21T…and the only other thing I had to fiddle with was getting the rear brake post mounts adapted ‘up’ to a 160mm size from the factory 140mm. I also used some of the fantastically practical Shelter tape to armor the inside of the chain stays right where packed up mud would rub off the rear tire. I also added a section of Shelter tape on the top tube right where the brake levers would impact it if the bars swung around in the event of a crash or just a casual tip over. Carbon does not like a sharp point of impact very much and it also seemed prudent to not have a small glacier of mud and sand grinding away at the chain stays. Even with the Shelter tape and the 2.2″ wide (2.3 claimed) Specialized Ground Control tire in there, I had plenty of room.
The sliding dropouts seemed to be smooth and easy to use and I did notice the fixing bolts looked dry on the threads, so I added some anti seize to make sure I could get a good torque setting without reefing on them. A bit of left/right/left adjustment and I had a 17.5″ effective chain stay setting using a 1/2 link. I was mid way through the sliders range. I set the handle bar height about 1/2 to 3/4″ lower than the middle of the saddle, the same as I typically do for an single speed ride, and the cockpit was in check to my normal number of 33.5″ from the back of the saddle to the center of the stem clamp with s 30.5″ saddle height as measured from the center of the bottom bracket to the middle of the saddle along the line of the seat post. I rarely care about my position fore aft relative to the bottom bracket center (KOPS). On a mountain bike you move around so much anyway that it always seemed moot to me. I tend to like being over the crank more than behind it and I like a steeper effective seat tube angle for an single speed as you are up and down so much for out of the saddle climbing.
Looking at the bike it has a more ‘cockpit forward’ bias to it as the shorter top tube/longer stem (compared to the Carve Pro SS set-up) moved me more over the front wheel even though the cockpit remained the same length (relative to saddle to stem distance). As well, it is a bit shorter in wheelbase. On the scale of truth and justice, and with SPDs and a single water bottle cage, the Stumpy was 22.5 pounds, 1 lb less than the Carve was. That makes sense in that the Carve frame was a pound heavier and the bits and pieces that were new to this build were pretty comparable to the parts they replaced.
Out on the street to spin it out a bit, the ‘fast forward’ position feels aggressive and it pedals like you would expect a 22.5lb carbon single speed to pedal…well. In fact, on my way up to show JeffJ in his castle on the hill, I noticed that I was seated more where I might be typically standing and I had the distinct impression of needing a taller gear than I have on it. Of course that was just a first impression but another one was a smoother ride than the Carve gave me. Carbon can be whatever the designer wants it to be but they all seem to have a nice characteristic of not transmitting much vibration through the frame. Tire buzz, tar strips in the pavement, etc were muted. No wonder carbon is so good for a road bike.
Into the dirt for a quick loop the Stumpjumper Carbon 29 SS is all business in the way it goes down the trail. It feels shorter between the wheels and turns faster than the Carve and my forward weight bias allows for tons of front wheel bite in fast sweepers. The ride is very impressive. It is still a hard tail and all, but it is staying glued to the trail better as the wheels are staying on the ground and hooked up, especially the rear wheel. This feels very similar to the S Works carbon Stumpy hard tail I rode last year and that is a good thing. I would say racy feeling without a big penalty, at least so far. Very positive first impressions are going on here and that is where it will stay till we get some more time on the single speed Stumpy. This could be fun.
Note: Specialized sent over the Stumpjumper Carbon 29 SS for test/review at no charge to Twenty Nine Inches. We are not being bribed, nor paid for this review. We will strive to give or honest thoughts and opinions throughout
















Why test a bike model that “was not sold in North America for 2012 and it seems to be the same for 2013, if it exists at all anymore.”?
Very helpful….
Also, how about you only test one bike from the same manufacturer at a time.
Specialized Expert Carbon vs. Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon, now which is which…
@Yogi: First- We have readers all over the world
Secondly- It is not obvious that one bike is a single speed?
That said, it would be wonderful if things worked out the way you suggest, I would like that as well, but that isn’t reality for TNI.
Hi there grannygear
Thank you for a great website and bike writeups.
My question is related to a point you mentioned in this article…
I read that you place shelter tape where the brakes would hit the toptube in the case of a fall / tumble!!!!
Is hat enough to prevent frame damage on a carbon frame?
I have endless problems with stackheight as I really try to get the brake position so that it swivels over the toptube.
Looking forward to hear your view and opinion about this.
Thx
Chris
@Chris Fourie…well, that is a good question. I would say that yes, it has a pretty high chance of preventing damage from a brake lever, especially if the clamp is not so tight that it cannot move in a impact. The Shelter tape is very thick and should take the ‘sharp point of impact’ down to a more blunt force, something that carbon deals with much better, at least as I understand it. I also did this on the Carve SS frame to try and prevent a dent in the same situation.
So will it be enough? I really cannot say for sure, but it is easy to do, not costly, and does not look ugly on there, being clear and all. Sounds like a good gamble to me.
I also put it inside the chain stays where mud would collect and rub between tire and frame. Seemed like a decent idea.
grannygear
@Yogi…thirdly…thirdly…is that not an odd sounding word? Therd-lee. Anyway, I digress. The Carve still exists in two SS models right now in North America…the Ned Overend limited edition and the Carve SL 29. What I do not see is the frame only option for the USA etc.
So there ‘ya go.
grannygear
@Yogi…part deux…we also discussed the idea of two of the same ‘frames’ in the way you mentioned it and came to some thoughts, you may or may not agree, but it went like this.
- It lets both of us get a feel for that carbon frame in different riding environments. GT and I do not always come to the same conclusions and while this may seem like it comes from the Dept of Redundancy Dept, we may not have the same results after the dust clears.
- The Evo approach and the new carbon rigid fork is right up GT’s alley. He knows more about non-squishy forks than anyone else I know. I do share his love for SS bikes and having the SS version lets me do a DIY build and look at things like the sliders. Want to buy a $2200.00 frame with a crummy tensioning system?
So we felt that it was a win-win…the commonality allows us to compare and the differences allow us to contrast.
And as GT pointed out, we just cannot pick up a phone and get any bike we want from anyone. This test was arranged months ago….mid last year actually. Other tests were arranged as well from other makers, but you work with who actually can provide test samples, not just make promises.
Hope that helps.
grannygear
@Grannygear
I would like to expand what Yogi was hitting on.
Can you let us know how this frame rides as compared to the earlier 2010 carbon Stumpjumper that was tested on TMI? I know the 2010 is not an SS, but I figure you could get a feel for how Specialized’s Stumpjumper has evolved since the first version. Maybe GT can chime in on how his EVO rides (knowing his is rigid) versus the older carbon Stumpjumper. I’m really not wanting a full blown comparison just a seat of the paints feel.
I would think there are others out there that have the older model and maybe looking to get a new bike. Thanks for posting the SS and to GT for reviewing the rigid EVO.
Thanks!
@Cali-Steve: I had thought to impart my feelings about how Specialized may or may not have advanced this model since 2010 when I tested the Stumpy Expert Carbon, (a bike I quite liked, by the way), so look for my thoughts on that as we get going on that test/review.
Sorry to be an a$$hat, but when I look at the “Front Page” of 29 inches.com. I see three black Specialized frames. How you keep them apart I do not know, I can’t. Please don’t say well look here and here…….
@Yogi: You do understand that two are the same, right? Please tell me you are not that daft.
Also, one has a sus fork and one doesn’t. Really now….
If I follow your line of thinking it would not even matter that both bikes are from the same manufacturer, just that both are the same color and shaped like hard tail mountain bikes.
If it helps, next time I’ll make sure to separate the articles further.
“It also was not expensive to purchase…IF you could find it as it was not sold in North America for 2012 and it seems to be the same for 2013, if it exists at all anymore.” – Hey whaz up Guitar Ted just to let you know that the carve sl ss is available in the states we have a large and a medium in stock at Bicycle Sports in Rochester,MN and would have to agree with you what a value and a nice riding bike.olso have to say thanks for doing all the reveiws on products i like what you do get to ride bikes who could complain about that Ive been a bike mechanic for 14 years and cant leave the shop i love and have a passion for bikes (remember rubber side down)peace
@Dan Schmitz…I was referring to the Carve Pro SS frameset.
grannygear
Any issues w/ the rear wheel moving in the dropouts/sliders?
@Chris…nope…not one slip yet.
gg
What adapter did you use to get the 140mm post mount to accept an 160mm rotor?
@Jay, it was a simple 140mm to 160mm post mount adapter. I don’t have a part number as it came from SRAM. I think it was this one…http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VFCH98/ref=asc_df_B003VFCH982442817?smid=A2TE9IQP68MWQU&tag=shopzilla_mp_1221-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B003VFCH98
gg
Thank you. Easy enough.