Editor’s Note: We’re still wading through the last of the Specialized Press Camp posts with Grannygear. Here’s one of the last, a report on a fine carbon hard tail. We’ll be concluding the Press Camp reports soon. Thanks for reading!
Ride impression: 2013 Specialized S Works Stumpjumper – by Grannygear
After jumping off the Carve, I figured today would be all about hard tails. So the next bike rolled out of the paddock was a 2013 Specialized S Works Stumpjumper in a great looking red color. But when I first saw it with that long and flipped stem with the Fast Trak tires, I thought I was in for a dicey ride on the rocky single track. Boy was I wrong. Carbon Roval Control SL wheels, a Brain SID fork, XTR rear der in the Shadow Plus version, a Specialized carbon crank with XX Spider…carbon bars, seat post, etc, etc. This is a very nice bike, and pedaling off to the chair lift it felt low and responsive as any bike this stiff and light will.
But when I turned onto the trail and began to dance a bit, I was expecting a nervous racing thoroughbred feel, something I would have to stay on top of compared to the Carve. But what I found was a bike I went faster and faster on as the trail continued. And although the lighter weight may have been some of that, it was more than just the lack of grams here.
There were a few things going on. First off, the riding position was working in my favor by weighting the front end in the corners. I would not normally run a stem/bar in that config…long (maybe 105mm..a typical Specialized length stem, but I did not measure) or flipped like that, but it was working really well. I had a later conversation with one of the 29″er product managers and he has been running a longer and lower control center lately, finding it gets more weight on the front end, especially as front centers get longer in the 29″er world. But here was a frame that had shorter chain stays and a longer top tube then the Carve with a longer, lower stem and it was very good.
The Fast Trak tires were much better than the Ground Controls on that trail in my opinion. I continue to be impressed by that tire and it has joined the Conti Race King as a favorite hard surface tire that rolls well. On the lighter Roval Control SL carbons they were hooking up and driving like crazy. But that was not all of the reason I was able to keep pushing faster and faster, even approaching the speeds I was on the full suspesion Camber.
Compliance. That frame was soaking up enough of the trail chatter that I was able to push faster and faster without getting bounced off line. I would come into a baby head section and launch into it with hardly any pre-braking and it would just go’ bruuup’ and I would be done and out. It was not only comfortable, it was fast. The SID Brain fork was feeling fantastic too and I had been on some Brain Rebas in the past that felt like junk. It all worked…the aggressive position, the tires, wheels, fork…and that tasty frame performance.
I was so surprised that I was grinning like a fool as I rolled back into the demo area. I almost went out again, but I was outta’ time. Now it is a bit hard to separate the light weight of a bike like this from its performance, and no doubt the carbon Rovals allowed me to toss the bike and change lines easier, but the FACT IS 11M frame was soooo smooth that, when combined with the recent ride on a BMC TE01 29″er, a bike specifically designed to be compliant while still setting high numbers for bottom bracket stiffness, that I wonder if this is finally beginning the golden age of carbon bikes where they are not just stiff and light, but are all that AND ride beyond what is possible with a metal frame. Look at the shaping of the seat stays on that frame in the picture above. They are pencil thin in diameter.
Sweet bike. Now the killer app would be that frame, or the lesser non-S Works FACT 8m frame (which is not quite as smooth as this one, so I was told) with a Roval carbon wheel upgrade and nice parts, but maybe not full S Works spec. It would be slightly heavier, but give you the goods where it counts…frame and wheels. This approach would make a killer single speed mount too. Hmmm…gives me an idea.
Next up is the latest version of the nearly do-all Epic on a real trail ride where I dice with Ned Overend and Todd Wells and pass them both. OK, they were stopped beside the trail, but still…I am counting it.













Wow what a beauty – my next bike.
Is the 2013 frame new of is it the same as the 2012 ?! is it more compliance then the RM vertex carbon ?!
Did them mention these new tactics:
http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/newsDetail/7047.html
Supporting this brand is empowering a mean bully.
Riders should know more of what they are supporting.
@Maria…I will ask up the chain about the frame changes, if any. Not sure. I have never ridden the RM Vertex carbon…sorry.
@JDog…None of the bike or part makers we deal with share their business practices with us or need to justify what they do. We just ride and report, ok? So until you know all the sides of things, be careful.
gg
Your impressions of the way it rides reminds me of the first time I rode a 29′r!
It is just a better mouse trap…
From jdog’s article, “Specialized isn’t the only brand playing the game, although it has gained a reputation for its heavy handedness with retailers over the years,”…….reputation well earned.
@Maria…2013 is the same frame as 2012.
gg
Another outstanding exclusive review from GG!
@Jdog: When I shop for Specialized I’m not interested in a bunch of manky Giants cluttering up the shop.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
I’d rather patronise a shop that focuses on the brand I’m interested in rather than catering to a bunch of undecided noobs.
The best bike shop shop where I live only stocks Specialized and it’s streets ahead of all the other local shops which stock plenty of brands but don’t actually HAVE much actual stock.
“Yeah we can order it in” is lame, only povo’s respond thus.
Nothing wrong with Giant, I own Reign 0, Trance 2 & an old ATX870 but I chose them cos they were good secondhand options, not dream bikes.
S-Works Stumpjumpers are sensational ultimate race bikes & if I was Mike Sinyard I would also wish to ensure that customers interested in investing in such a product receive the dedicated service they deserve when spending close to 10g.
One could say that perhaps Specialized would be better off opening their own shops rather than pressuring retailers but most substandard shops simply choose not to stock Specialized.
Where I live very few shops even qualify to sell Specialized and most complain that Specialized wants to be like Apple.
The things is IF you actually want an Apple product, their shops do provide a level of service you simply don’t get from other retailers.
I like the direction Specialized is taking in retailing & would also like to see Kona shops, Giant shops, Yeti shops etc.
Rupert3k, great so ALL the bike shops fail……divide and conquer….Apple owns their own stores….I like the idea of having many bike companies, pity we only(for MTB) have two component manufactures….once you have a 50% market share, 100% MS is easy to achieve….
…….to be continued
Quick question: What travel does the fork actually have?
In the past Specialized chooses to use 90mm or other “un-common” travel sizes?
@Oliver…it is 90mm of travel except on the SM sz…that is 80mm.
gg
@Grannygear
Thnaks for the quick response.
How is the SID Brain with “out of the saddle” mode ?!
@Maria…well, hmmm…I really do not have anything exceptional to say about the SID Brain fork other than this one felt exceptionally good on trail where some of the other Brain Rebas had been crummy. But, these are very brief rides so sometimes things are just not set-up well or broken in or just broken! In that way, I did not notice anything out of the ordinary as far as what it did out of the saddle, but I did not do a lot of open, smooth climbing on it either. Sorry.
gg
GG, What tire pressure were you running (and how much do you weigh)? What was the dimension of the Fast Tracks (I’m guessing 29 x 1.95)? What do you think about running a Renegade on the rear? And lastly, thinking of this bike as a pure race machine only, how much weight advantage would you pick up if you went XX1 (1×11) and grip shift (ie: do you think you could get this bike at or under 19 lbs)?
@Tony…Hmmm…did not gauge the pressure but my calibrated thumbnail says around 30psi. They were 2.0s. Sure, if you can give away a bit of grip for speed then by all means, run a Renegade. I do not have any real weights for this bike, but I would think that 19lbs is doable as the stock SRAM (XX) version I rode last year was at 19+/- a bit lbs in a LG IIRC.
I only saw a non-rideable XX1 group but it was sweet stuff. I would totally think that and Grip Shift would be a killer race set-up.
gg
@ Tony: 19 lbs with pedals would be very difficult, but not impossible. I have an Sworks with some I9 wheels, full XX, superlogic parts, with XTR pedals, it’s about 20.5lbs, with a ground control front and ikon rear. Putting a renegade rear and fast trak front (or some other light-yet-rideable combination) would get it down right at 20. Going to XX1 would bring it into high 19s. If you were willing to optimise the cockpit, run very light tires, pedals, saddle, and get some aftermarket shift cables and hsg you could reach 19.
GG,
Relating to your remarks below, I wonder if the new Stumpjumper Marathon would fit the bill? It has the lower-end FACT 8M carbon frame, lower-end Roval Control carbon wheels, with a pretty nice component build. Seems like it would make a very nice race rig at a bit “friendlier” price-point compared with the S-Works models. I just wonder how much compliance/comfort is lost in the frame, and how much weight is added with the wheels/hubs? Would love to see you review the Marathon model!
“Now the killer app would be that frame, or the lesser non-S Works FACT 9m frame (which is not quite as smooth as this one, so I was told) with a Roval carbon wheel upgrade and nice parts, but maybe not full S Works spec. It would be slightly heavier, but give you the goods where it counts…frame and wheels. This approach would make a killer single speed mount too. Hmmm…gives me an idea.”
@KB…well, I think the real values usually are right below S Works. Yeah, it may not have the panache’ and it will be heavier, but that will not keep you off the podium and it will keep $$ in your wallet.
Stay tuned as I am expecting a ride on a 8m Stumpy carbon frame soon. I was told it would not be a smooth riding as the more ethereal S Works 11M frame due to different carbon lay ups, etc. but that it would be very close.
As far as wheel weight, you should be able to get the numbers off the Specialized website for that. I bet you would not notice 130g of wheel difference as some of that is in the hub, the rest in spokes and rim obviously.
gg
How do you think this bike stacks up againist my Cannondale Flash Carbon 29er 1, with Stan’s Gold Wheels and TI eggbeaters it’s 18.7 pounds.
I’m always looking for a faster bike.
thanks
@Dave…well I have not ridden your Cannondale, but I will say that riders are fast, not bikes. I have been schooled by fast guys on bikes that were POUNDS heavier than mine.
The bike helps…a lot sometimes…but ya gotta’ pedal the thing.
gg
thanks for the response, and agree it’s more about the rider at this level, just thought you may have some experience with the CD.
but i’m sure given the rider is a given reference, he or she will be faster or slower on different bikes. i’m not sure how much.
I’m a road racer mainly, and feel the bike is less important on the road (you can hide in the draft) but MTB racing it’s you the bike and the trails.
thanks
@Dave…You cannot ignore the value of a bike that fits well and makes the rider feel good about riding it, that is for sure. I did ride a Flash Carbon a year or so ago and it was stiff, fast, and a bit more nervous feeling than the Stumpy comes across to me as, but it was only a brief impression on the C’Dale and it is not a current model year, etc so I really cannot speak with any authority.
At the low weights that these bikes are rolling out with, they are all capable of taking a podium spot under the right player. The trick is getting a bike that you feel compliments your efforts…a willing dance partner, if you will, to the tune playing in your head.
gg