We are very fortunate to have a European contributor in “c_g” who can attend the Eurobike trade and consumer bicycle show in Germany. Here “c_g” files his report from the Eurobike Outdoor Demo with images of new 2011 29 inch wheeled bikes which seem to be gaining steam in the European cycling community.
Eurobike Outdoor Demo Report: by “c_g”
EUROBIKE 2010 – First day (DEMO DAY)
Hi folks, here in Germany the first day of EUROBIKE, the DEMO Day is over and boy, those 29ers were everywhere.
I remember last year there were hardly any 29er bikes present and if they were, they were the least requested of the pack. This year it was completely different with new 29er bikes (many of which were by European companies) everywhere and there was a real run for them. SPECIALIZED for example was present with a total of about 70 test bikes with 20 of them being 29″ers, NINER showed their full range in various sizes, SCOTT had a decent fleet of 5 or six Scale 949s and Cannondale were showing some – and most of them were gone almost all the time – being ridden by some curious European wanting to find out what these BIG WHEELS were all about
. In several cases where I had hoped to get a ride in, I only got the opportunity to take a quick shot or a “parking lot ride” before someone “plied” it out of my hands. All in all it was a very positive experience for 29er fans (and a bit scary, too because now the underdog status here has completely vanished.
See here some pictures of the European bikes shown. (in fact there were several others … that I just saw underneath some rider that I didn’t get a shot of nor ride – but I hope to get some info and pictures at the trade show) –To show how fresh the 29″er trend is here, many of the bikes shown and seen there had little written info with specs, prices and such available:
ORBEA ALMA 29er: This bikes has already been introduced by Guitar Ted here but it was neat taking a closer look at it – some really unique features.

Double tapering? No this unique head tube is “strangled” by an massive one piece cable stop where torsional forces are lowest and wider where bigger, The elegant seat stays are nicely sculptured and fairly beefy with good tire clearance.
NICOLAI – the German high end manufacturer has shown one new 29er called the Argon Ro (“Ro” stands for “Rohloff compatible” by special sliding dropouts and a split seat stay for Gates Carbon drive). Though not shown there I was told there would be a total of 3 29er introduced – the Argon 29er (same frame with standard rear) and a full suspension Helius 29er and the Argon Ro 29er (shown below)


The bike is a Nicolai typical approach with excellent workmanship and intriguing details though by my experience with the Gates and Rohloff I know the shown configuration with a 55 tooth front ring is limited in its trail worthiness.
FOCUS: Focus was showing the Redskin in its final version and specs – unfortunately it will not be available with the interesting rigid fork as it has been sighted at Sea Otter earlier. There was only one huge frame available so I had not been able to test ride it.

HAIBIKE: The European wide operating company HAIBIKE is introducing one new 29er hardtail they call BIG CURVE which will be available in two specifications, a higher end BIG CURVE RC (shown, estimated price € 2499.-, claimed weight 10,5 kg) and the mid-range BIG CURVE SL (selling for € 1699.-, claimed weight 11.5 kg). The frames are designed for 100 mm forks and nicely executed with triple butted tubing, tapered heat tubes (seems everyone has to have them
), ample tire clearance, through axle front and rear, and short seat stays at 435 mm !!

You can see that by trying to get the chain stays shortened there is little room left between tire and the seat tube on this pre-production model, a thing that will be modified by introducing a slight bend to the seat tube in the lower third of its length (see the ORBEA or RAGLEY for that feature) in the production version.


The bike was gone most of the time and so a short ride near the day´s end had to do but the first feel of the bike really made me anticipate a neutral and fun handling bike. Though the frames a Taiwan made the bikes are all assembled here in Germany. Good news for smaller and taller riders is that the bikes will be available in four sizes from 44 cm through 56 cm.
Ragley Bikes: A personal Highlight for me was the opportunity to test riding a bike I have heard much about but never ridden myself – the RAGLEY TD:1.
This Lynskey made titanium bike designed by Brant Richards wasn´t a new introduction but the idea of doing a 29er specifically for racing applications and with a 440 mm rigid fork and had me wanting to ride it for some time.
Besides the unique geometry this bike features strongly ovalized main tubes to optimize lateral stiffness and add some vertical compliance, a slightly bend down tube (for impact strength, not for fork crown clearance, I was told), a ring reinforced 1 1/8” head tube (for a change J) and a bent seat tube to avoid derailleur/tire interference. A nice feature for our climate are the easily removable cable guides throughout the entire frame (nice for people wanting the clean SS look plus geared function) for full length cable and brake hose housings (remember the bike comes from even rainier UK). A simple yet functional thing is the RAGLEY specific 3-finger seat stay bridge, providing extraordinary tire clearance and no muck build up whatsoever.
The trails around the EXPO had received torrential rain the last days and so were super muddy and slippery – perfect testing grounds for such a steed. I went into the ride without much introduction to simply feel the bike and WOW – that is some unique machine. I have hardly ever ridden a bike that made me want to hammer out of the saddle as much as the TD:1. Steering was super precise and quick like only some people will appreciate, the ti frame made for a laterally stiff yet compliant chassis, while the stiff fork and cockpit were on the harsher side. This bike defined agility to new levels without feeling overly nervous (though some probably would feel this way). The TD:1 requires an experienced hand and constant concentration by the rider – no cruiser at all but a pure bread racing weapon. While it may not be the bike I´d take on long alpine trip it simply made me want to go all out fast.

If you like to be on your toes all the time, go all out, and favor a rigid 29er – take a good look at the RAGELY TD:1. My bike was set up geared but the sliding drop outs made running it SS easy and I´d imagine the bike´s characteristic would make it to be a superb SS bike. The super short 50 mm stem on my demo bike made it feeling a tad too short and made the bike endo earlier than I had anticipated. I think a 80 or 90 mm stem (and possibly sliding the dropouts back a bit more) would alleviate that for me and make an exceptional climber.
I was promised a neat surprise at the show from Ragley (something that would suit the TD:1 well
) – so stay tuned for more.
Many US brands were present with their 29ers also (SCOTT showed a whole fleet of their SCALE 949 29er, CANNONDALE had several FLASH models for test, NORCO was demoing the SHINOBI and YETI showed their new 29er with alloy main triangle and Carbon rear, unfortunately no GIANT 29er L) but knowing that Guitar Ted and Grannygear will cover those in more depth during their time at INTERBIKE, I didn’t focus too much on them.
Niner Bikes: There was one bike though that I was particularly interested in riding:
The NINER Air 9 Carbon (in a rigid version).
Thanks to the great folks of NINER bikes (Brett, Steven, Chris and to Mauro, the Italian distributor of NINER) I ended up being lent the bike (with some pretty interesting components, too) for the duration of the show to turn the Demo ride into a “Short term test” and so I will leave you with only this picture of the bike with more to come soon – kind of mean isn´t it but I got to go and ride
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Stay tuned and RIDE ON,
c_g











a prettier awesomer bike than that Air 9 Carbon has not been made.
Is that Syntace X-12 standard in the rear of Haibike ?
I’ve never seen it on a hardtail before.
That HAI bike…holy rear brake mount, Euro-Batman! Really big rotor or? Looks flexy as all get out. Neat rear axle set-up though.
grannygear
I am very excited about the Ragely TD-1.
It is exactly the sort of bike I am looking for. It seems the minor faults are easily addressed with a longer stem and I would personally dress it with a Ti fork and might be handlebar for a compliant cockpit. True, it may not be idle for a long expedition, but no bike can fit to bill for every sort of riding. I am sure it is a superb enduro bike; Brent’s racers have gone long distances on it.
I wonder, what bar do they have on the demo bike?
The Ragley looks very cool.
Nothing to note from CUBE?
Scott USA is a German/swiss compagny, not an american !
I love my Ragley TD-1. One of the nicest handling bikes I’ve ever ridden! Glad to see this bike getting some coverage!
I can’t wait for details regarding the Ragley carbon fork!
Sorry to hijack the thread:
Guitar Ted, do you still have those Bontrager Race Mountain shoes ?
I’m looking for some simple, low-key shoes and I was wandering if you’ll still recommend them.
Thanks.
@Ojos Azules: Yes, I still wear them, and yes, I still recommend them. I am on my second pair now, as the first were worn out in the soles from near everyday wearing. It should be noted that Bontrager has re-designed the Race shoe which will now feature the three strap closure and the sole design of the Race Lite with a softer compound used for the tread material. I saw a pair, and handled them. They are very light!
The shoe most like the old Race will retain the rubber sole, but will feature laces instead of a three Velcro strap closure, which I think is even better than what I have. By the way, this shoe will not come with the e-soles support, but can accept them, or any other footbed/orthotic.
Ojos Azules: Yes it is the X-12 rear thru axle on the HAIBIKE shown.
grannygear: the rear rotor is (as written on the adapter
) a 180 mm configuration, meaning it is a standard PM style for 160 mm with the adaptation for 180 mm – not sure if this configuration will make it to the production bikes as it is very unusual. … on several apine trails this year I had wished for this size rotor even on the back, though.
Rubber Boy: Did I say the TD:1 couln´t be ridden on long distances? No, it sure is perfectly capable of this, but under an experienced rider/racer and under race or at least competitive circumstances. When I am talking of alpine trips/tours I generally refer to long tours in alpine environment (sometimes tame sometimes crazy technical) but always for leisure and without timing or competitors breathing in your neck. But in return may I ask you what you mean by an enduro bike when speaking of the TD:1? My definition of enduro is not quite what I see in this race oriented rigid bike.
But let me put it in other words: I think the TD:1 does tempt its rider to go all out, fast and race style – be it on short circuits or multi day races, be it on groomed tracks or riding an adventure race; but it is not the bike to hop on and forget. It is like a race car – under an expert it will reach new levels, under a novice it may spell disaster.
I hope it is clearer now.
Randy Harrys: I might have missed it but I couldn´t spot any 29er bikes from CUBE, neither have I heard anything about a new release of that sort. Do you know more?
FR: Thanks for correcting that – this was a simple mix-up that can happen when trying to get the news out to you as quickly as possible
.
tom:
RIDE ON,
c_g
@Randy Harris:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cube-2011-new-trail-bikes-hardtails-and-freeride-rig-27295
No CUBE 29ers for 2011, maybe next year (that 2011 Elite HPT would be a killer in 29er form !).
I have a theory as to why there’s a big rear rotor on that bike. Doesn’t look like the Elixer’s will fit, the calipher body would hit that brace that says “POST MOUNT”
@ c_g
Thanks for the clarification. The distinction is crystal clear.
It sounds like the level of control is tremendous…with a price to pay, where room for errors is rather slim. Could it be that the 50mm stem pushed it close to the edge? Brent recommends 70mm, 80mm and 90mm for his respective sizes. Might it be that with the 50mm stem he has been trying to stress the handling on his demo bike just a bit too hard ?
Most importantly, it seemed you had a great deal of fun riding it; that counts a lot in my book.
By ‘Enduro’ I meant long day races or just racing 100 miles in a swoop.
According to his website, Brent’s racers had some success for these sort of races.
@RubberBoy: Not to be a nit-picker, but I think you are referring to Brant Richards as “Brent”.
I just wanted to clarify that point for the readers.
@GT
Stand and corrected.
A mild case of dyslexia I have been suffering from since childhood…
I run a 70mm stem on my TD-1 as per Brant’s suggestion. The fit is perfection, as is the handling.
C’monnn fork coverage
@tom
I suspect Brant does not have the fork on hand just yet.
Here is a quote from the write up above:
“I was promised a neat surprise at the show from Ragley (something that would suit the TD:1 well ) – so stay tuned for more.”
Most likely it is bering rushed in for a last minute presentation…
BTW, there should be a few sizes and rakes in the bag.
All dandy and cool, yet no full suspension frame? What a shame. Wait a minute, Europeans can’t desing one.
@c_g
If I can trouble you for one more question:
The saddle-to-bar drop on the TD-1 seems longer than the ordinarily. Yes, I know the frame has been designed for a racy posture, however, other setups that I have seen have a few spacers and/or a raise on the stem to narrow the drop. I suspect here again, Brant wished to heightened that sensation on the demo bike.
Could you comment how it felt riding the bike in that regard? How easy was it to loft the front end and comfortable you felt on it?
Thanks…
WTB Bronson 29 x 2.2 ? Any info on those tires on the niner?
I recently upgraded from a SIR Niner to the Ragley td1, I must say with the long-ish toptube of the Ragley, the short front end paired with a DTSwiss 445mm fork this bike rocks, I thought the niner with its own brand Carbon fork was the answer, but the TD-1 has blown my socks off.
It is tight, not as light as I would have expected, the M frame and a 80mm stem with and inline seatpost is almost identical in setup to the Niner with a 100mm stem and a layback post, I am not sure how Brant got that right in the design, but that is how it feels, and the tape measure does not lie. I have also put on a set of Ragley’s new carbon Carnegie bars, running them inverted, and it feels like I am floating over the rough stuff. I will be racing it on Sunday in a 60km race with all sorts of terrain, so I will be able to give you a proper breakdow…oooh wrong word of how the bike handles.
So far the longest ride has been 3hrs, it is no more or less comfortable than the Niner, for longer rides I may flip the bars, but right now I have no complaints, it just works, it is silent running, and it is fast…very fast.
Thanks Ted and the crew for such a great report, we all wish we could be there, I am pretty sure drooling is not inappropriate.
Brant lent me a SS TD-1 for a UK 8 hour race, called Hit the North. My first ride on the bike, coming off an Inbred with the same size frame, was 65 miles. It’s ace.
My third ride is on Saturday, 100 miles in Kielder forest.
It looks like you can see a hint of the fork in the photo of the TD1 up top:
http://twitpic.com/2k6u17
@Tom
I wonder if the final product is also silver painted. I would expect black or raw to match more than just Ti frames.
It looks black to me. I think thats just a reflection in the photo due to the clearcoat on the carbon.
The fork on the twit pic of the Ragley looks like an Action Tec suspension fork but my eyes are bad and this Blackberry screen is small. Maybe even a Action Tec with carbon legs?
Fancy that Nicolai, but I’d dump the Rohloff
Good to see a bike with nice stiff chainstays that won’t flex about like a wet noodle.
That front cog is a bit excessive – but it’s probably to keep the gearing ratio over the Rohloff requirement of 2:1
But the real pick of the litter is the TD-1. I had a good look at when I was camped next to Twinkly Dave at the UK 24 Hour Solos, it’s a nicely thought out bike, and perfect for those of us who don’t run suspension.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37220746@N06/4845371802/in/set-72157624494661847/
Bronson photos posted here
Hey Guitar Ted,
I could have swore I read something from you from a couple months ago mentioning a 17 point something pound Specialized. Tried combing through your stuff and I can’t seem to find it. Thanks.
@Davidcopperfield,
Das die Europeanen ein Fully nicht entwickeln koennten – LMAA!
yeah GT, you can sensor this one if you choose.
In the meantime,
Cheers!
Kurti SC