Vassago Jabberwocky: One Year Review: by Grannygear
It has been a year since I took delivery of a bright orange 20” Vassago Jabberwocky frame to replace the Karate Monkey as my SS ride. The Monkey had been a solid companion, but I was looking for a bit better fit in the top tube length and a different geometry. The Karate Monkey is set up with a pretty short effective TT length at 24.25” in the LG size, the stand over is lacking, and I had found the ride to be so-so (pretty harsh) and the handling a bit odd.
The Jabber had caught my eye as a budget replacement that was perhaps one rung up on the ladder of refinement over the KM. The KM costs around $465.00 retail and the Jabber sits at $490.00 suggested retail. Owners of the Jabber seemed to be very happy with the ride and geometry of the frame. Vassago is pretty proud of their vaunted “Wet Cat” geometry approach: a lower BB height, a longer chain stay, a slacker head tube angle, and a longish top tube. That is a bit of a twist from the KMs set-up.
The Jabber was built up with the parts from the KM: the RST M29 fork at 80mm, the DT Swiss wheels (7.1TK/Onyx), a 180mm Shimano HTII crank and Octalink BB, etc. I had rim brakes on the KM, but went to Avid BB7s on the Jabber.
I dropped a tiny bit of weight compared to the KM as the Jabber frame was 5oz lighter, but I picked that back up in the porky Avid BB7s compared to the rim brakes. I gained a great deal of stand over, about a 1/2” of cockpit length, and better geometry over the KM. It ran with these parts until recently until I upgraded the wheels and changed the brakes to some used Juicy 5s that dropped a 1/4 pound compared to the BB7s.
The current weight on the Jabber is right at 25lbs 14oz.
So, how has the Jabber been to live with over the last year? Is the Wet Cat geometry all that and a box of cookies? What about the ride? The value VS. cost?
Right…off we go.
As I had mentioned, what I was looking for in the replacement for the KM was a different handling bike and a smoother ride. I got that in the Jabber. I immediately preferred the way the Jabber rode and turned. It felt smoother and was way better at speed in ruts and looser conditions compared to the KM. I think some of that comes from the slacker HT angle, 71* compared to the 72* KM. The longer chain stays, longer top tube, and the way the steel tubing is spec’d added up to a nicer ride on trail. I also noticed the 18” chain stays, the low bottom bracket, and the steeper seat tube angle in a bad way. Getting the front end up on trail took a lot of effort compared to the KM, which typically was set at a 17.5” (or slightly shorter) chain stay length in SS mode. How a bike responds on the trail is one part science and one part black magic, but a long front center, a low bottom bracket, and 18” chain stays may bring a ton of stability and a nice ride to the day but not a ‘flickable’ feeling bike.
After a lot of miles and hours on the Jabber, I have some strong thoughts and impressions. The Wet Cat geo lends an easy-to-ride-all-day feel to the bike. I would not look to this as a pure XC race SS bike (although it has won its share of races under more talented riders than I), but if I was shopping for an single speed to ride something like an off road 100 miler or endurance based stuff, trail ride, or bike-pack SS style, the Jabber would be great. The steering is not quick, and compared to some bikes I have ridden lately, the long-ish chain stays and slower response may not be the best thing for tighter trails with lots of blind turns. In the more open trails of So Cal, it is good enough, but it takes some deliberate effort to turn it. Still, once you dial into the timing, it will get ‘er done. There are quite a few fully suspended riders that have felt the breath of the Jabber on the back of their necks on the local single tracks. It pedals quite well and the bottom bracket does not sway and twist up at all. The track-ends approach to the way of tensioning the chain may not be as cache’ as sliders, but it has never slipped with either a Shimano XT QR or the bolt-on White Industries ENO hub I use now. I can remove the wheel easily enough without any brake rotor interference although I have to release and re-set the tensioners each time, something that I would rather not do in a race situation, but no biggie as a trail rider.
If I could change anything, I would like to be able to run a shorter chain stay than the Jabber allows. With a 1/2 link, running either a 32/20 or a 34/21 combo, I was able to get to a 17.8” CS length. I have ridden several bikes now that are in that 17.3” range and it brings with it a bit of playfulness that the 18” length does not allow for. I would add that bit of length we cut out of the chain stays and pop it into the top tube to make an XL version. I find that, with a 90mm stem, something I really prefer on this bike, that I am juuuuust a bit cramped when standing and climbing. Would that be a Wet Cat geometry still? Not sure. Which brings up a question: What do you do when your copyrighted geometry may not be all that current anymore with the latest trends? I suggest that Vassago adds a “Hot Cat” option and tightens up the bike just a bit. That may be too much for a small company with limited resources, but it is a thought. Still and for now, it is what it is and that does make for a very fine all day trail bike in single speed mode. If I were riding trails that required a lot of wheelie drops, etc, it would be a chore with the Jabber’s geometry, but I will take that over the 72* head tube angle, high bottom bracket settings, AND longer chain stays of some of its competition.

Vassago was already ahead of the curve in slacker head tube angles and longer top tubes as well as lower bottom bracket heights, something you are seeing in more and more 29ers these days. But, as I mentioned before, if what you are making is not what folks are buying because things do refine and change over time…whaddya’ gonna’ do? Is it a bad thing to center your marketing plan/design ethos/whatever around a particular geometry? Gary Fisher did it with G2 but that has been tweaked over time too. What I suggest really is a small refinement. Give me the ability to go shorter on the chain stay if I want to with a solid 17.5” setting. I will buy that. This is not a bike that is targeted at the AM/Trail bike, rock-hopping, log-dropping crowd. Maybe the upcoming Vassago Chupacabra will be that bike. There are good reasons to NOT have really short back ends on a 29er and in this case, one size does not ‘fit all’. Still, give me a wider range of adjustment. Give me a true XL top tube length with about a 1/4” stretch over the current version. In my opinion, a 25” effective length is about right for an XL. Not too many folks like a greater than 100mm stem on a 29er these days (at least from what I have seen).
On another note, Vassago is introducing the Black Label line of frame sets featuring a nicer tube set and hand made in the States construction. Due in late 2010, prices are up in the custom frame range but the weights should be down a bit to compensate! Will the geometry change as well?
The Jabberwocky has weathered well and the powder coat has been pretty tough. I have a feeling that it would continue to provide a reliable ride experience for years to come, something that steel is very good at doing. It is really hard to beat a decent steel frame for an SS bike. It is not the lightest or the snappiest or the blingiest or the whatever-est, but it just quietly gets the job done ride after ride for relatively little money. I am moving over to a new SS bike for a bit as the SS ‘Hopper gets going but I will keep the Jabber around. Maybe I will try rigid on it! Or maybe I will do some more SS bikepacking. If nothing else, the Jabber will always be ready for a few more hours of trail time. I even still like the orange color!
I think that, at least in this case, steel is a real value in the Vassago Jabberwocky.














Good write up and similar to what I found. I found the Jabber excellent downhill, but not good in twisty singletrack and also the longer cs contributed to me losing traction more often (compared to On-one 29er) in ss standing climbing.
SS bikepacking… Wow, that belongs to better riders than me. Better knees too.
Great review. The comments made regarding the Wet Cat geometry were honest and will definitely help with my first SS frame choice.
@T0m,
It’s off the topic, but I think worth mentioning:
IMO, the culprit for knee ache is the wide Q-factor on MTBs.
i took the plunge and switched from Noir 1.1 to SRAM XX, 156 Q-Factor. A persistent knee vexation, my companion for the last two years, dissipated over night. Yes, the XX was converted to SS.
Now I can ride 70 miles and dismount thereafter smiling.
I thoroughly enjoyed this writeup,GT…very informative and easy to “get” the feel of your thoughts on the bike. I have a pretty good friend who’s a Vassago dealer,and he flat LOVES his Bandersnatch.
I would recommend you most definately give the dual rigid a try on it…though I may be looking next year for a squishy fork,in a perfect world of no old timerness sinking in (at 37,hahaha!),I prefer the rigidness on my d440 =)
Steve
@RubberBoy
While it may or may not be a cure-all for knee pain, I sure agree that lower Q feels better. I have really come to like the low-Q XX crank on the Epic Marathon and the Jabber has a mid-Q set-up with the aging but still delightful XT HT-II crank and BB, 68mm BB, and tidy spindle. When I ride the new external stuff, I feel like a rodeo cowboy.
Unfortunately, that choice is hard to get around on the typical geared bike. I buddy was showing me his SS setup with older XTR cranks (using a Octalink road BB) and it was super low Q. That will be my goal on any SS bike going forward, but it means old parts (no biggy), White Industries cranks (still no biggie) or newish $$$ XX stuff. More of a financial biggie.
I wonder if anyone will reverse engineer some narrow SS cranks on the Ext BB style for cheap? C’mon, someone should.
grannygear
@Grannygear,
Happy we see eye-to-eye. Just to highlight the cost associated with an XX crankset conversion:
$300 for the crank; $80 back from selling the rings on eBay; $70 out of pocket for a bash and 32t XX ring from Homebrewed Components. Total cost = $290.
I did not mind paying it. This crank will last many good years. I only regret they don’t offer 177.5mm or 180mm.
Granted, I would be thrilled if the design would trickled down to X0 and X9…
Lastly, I was tempted to go with a Red conversion to SS; SRAM dissuaded me stressing the crank was not sturdy enough for an off-road application.
Nice write up. I love my Jabberwocky, but I do wonder how it would be with shorter chainstays. Trackends rule!
Oh yeah – have you tried the gear plug? I’ve had good success setting mine up 1×9 for long rides/races when the ss was too much for me.
@Dman
Nope. But if I end up making it into my bikepacking bike, I would run it with gears and give that a shot. I hope to have another steel SS to ride by the end of the year…we shall see…and the geo is right in place with my preferences. If so, I will look at making it into a geared bike, at least 1×9.
@RubberBoy
That is not so $$ bad then, is it? I am still on the fence about 180mm vs. 175mm on SS bikes. I will have more to chew on after the Rockhopper gets more miles on it, but I am thinking 180s are more the ticket, despite some drawbacks.
grannygear
Oh yeah, as a point of reference for anyone considering a Jabber, mine weights in at 24lbs on the nose. Medium frame, xt cranks, AC/Arch wheels, rigid WB carbon fork, Elixer brakes, Thomson stem/post, Weirwolf LT up front and a Small Block 8 out back.
@GrannyGear
Did you really lose a full 1/4 lb by switching from BB7′s to Juicy 5′s? Wow that seem like a lot.
@Wish I Were Riding
Yeah, that is what I measured unless I messed up. I hung the entire BB7/cables/lever setup on the scale and did the same for the Juicys. That is what I recall doing, then I also weighed the bike.
I hope I did not misstate things. Everything is mounted up on bikes right now.
AH: Found my notes…I weighed them as 1lb 2oz for the Juicys and 1lb 8oz for the BB7s. Actually 6oz, more than a qtr pound. SO, unless I read it wrong or noted it wrong, that is what i had.
grannygear
I read your review on the Jabber and the diSSent. Given today’s offerings and not hung up on steel, which frame would you purchase? I like both company’s and both get great reviews, too many decisions with lots of great products out there.
@singlefin
I would buy the Jabber again in a heartbeat. The diSSent actually was a good handling and pedaling bike, but it was too much of a beat down for me. I like the looks of the Jabber as well. I am not a fan of swaybacked top tubes for several reasons, but I think they are typically un-elegant looking.
If you do not mind a firmer ride and you desire a bit snappier pedaling and steering bike, ie…either you race or you are a hammer head, the diSSent would be my recommendo.
There are a lot of good products out there right now. If you can, try a few things before you buy. The Specialized Rockhopper SS I have to test right now is one of the nicest handling SS bikes I have ridden and is a good value, even though it is not without its flaws.
I will admit that, after much soul searching and experimentation, I think I am hung up on steel.
grannygear
Nice write up! Keep your eye on the Black Label line, it may satisfy some of your needs. I am also testing a proto version of the Chupacabra, and this bike feels more like a Fast Cat than a Wet Cat.
@Oliver
Yeah, I am interested in seeing how the Black label stuff plays out. I doubt the Chupacabra is my cup of tea, although it looks like it will be fun and agile.
Fast Cat works for me too.
grannygear