Comments on: Singular Cycles Gryphon: Out Of The Box http://twentynineinches.com/2010/02/28/singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box 29er Bike Reviews, Rumors and News Fri, 25 May 2012 12:11:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steven http://twentynineinches.com/2010/02/28/singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box/#comment-69074 Steven Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:39:33 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=4900#comment-69074 Hi there, ... I wonder if a Racing Ralph 2.4 on a semi disk rim (30 mm) would fit the front fork? On the rear end i can live whith smaller options but i would love to use the mentioned front combo. Hi there, …
I wonder if a Racing Ralph 2.4 on a semi disk rim (30 mm) would fit the front fork?
On the rear end i can live whith smaller options but i would love to use the mentioned front combo.

]]> By: justanoldhobo http://twentynineinches.com/2010/02/28/singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box/#comment-65709 justanoldhobo Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:29:22 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=4900#comment-65709 Gted, The Gryphon is built and tweaked. I spent four days riding and playing with different wheels and bar adjustments. The build is a double SLX with bar-ends on a woodchipper sitting on Xc One wheels and Panracer 700/45's. The guy at the bike shop said," you must really like the Fargo, you are building one just like it". I said I don't think so and sure enough it is not a Fargo. There are many similarities between the Gryphon and the Fargo, there are just as many differences. The wind and Panracers conspired against me in the first couple of days. It was too wet to ride trails so the pavement was it. Going 11-14 mph with too much resistance and tire vibration had me wondering where I was going to hide the Gryphon. I did have a couple of good moments racing a train to a crossing. The Gryphon loves power! It is not a bike to loaf on if you want to get it's best feel. The Gryphon accelerates better than the Fargo but does not maintain momentum as well in my view. I swapped to the Fargo wheelset for a long ride yesterday and that is where the Gryphon got sweet. The stock set from the Fargo was the Semi Disc and Vulpines. The Gryphon is really quick and precise in turning. I took turns much faster than the Fargo with less steering and more leaning. On what trails I have been able to ride the Gryphon kind of dances through, very graceful handling. I went through a fallow field I had ridden on the Fargo and the Gryphon felt a little less deliberate than the Fargo. The Fargo is more hot rod Jeep with great handling. The Fargo really moves you with confidence. The Gryphon handles the terrain best with power input, a sports car feel. Like a 1965 Austin Healey 3000 with all wheel drive that likes to climb. I am glad I don't have a choice to make between having one or the other. I feel the bikes are enough different it will come down to what you want to do and how you want to spend your money. The Gryphon is a more fanciful ride while the Fargo is more focused and deliberate. The Gryphon replaces almost all the skinny tire rides while the Fargo will take me those places I want to go with all my stuff. The Fargo is a joy to ride. The Gryphon frame is really based on running SS, geared hub, or a one nine. It can be built geared with no problem but the guides and routings speak SS. The 2.1 Vulpines fit fine with a front derailleur but it would be close with anything bigger than 2.3's. The frame color and graphics are beautiful, I don't want to chip the paint but know it will come. I have some pics but no 13 year old in the house to show me how to post them. Off the library to find a For Dummies tutorial. Singular shines bright with the Gryphon for me but I am certainly not a credentialed bicycle reviewer. I do know when you merge a good steel bike with that power input and it produces a give back as good as it gets feeling it is a good frame. Gted,
The Gryphon is built and tweaked. I spent four days riding and playing with different wheels and bar adjustments. The build is a double SLX with bar-ends on a woodchipper sitting on Xc One wheels and Panracer 700/45′s.
The guy at the bike shop said,” you must really like the Fargo, you are building one just like it”. I said I don’t think so and sure enough it is not a Fargo. There are many similarities between the Gryphon and the Fargo, there are just as many differences.
The wind and Panracers conspired against me in the first couple of days. It was too wet to ride trails so the pavement was it. Going 11-14 mph with too much resistance and tire vibration had me wondering where I was going to hide the Gryphon. I did have a couple of good moments racing a train to a crossing. The Gryphon loves power! It is not a bike to loaf on if you want to get it’s best feel. The Gryphon accelerates better than the Fargo but does not maintain momentum as well in my view.
I swapped to the Fargo wheelset for a long ride yesterday and that is where the Gryphon got sweet. The stock set from the Fargo was the Semi Disc and Vulpines. The Gryphon is really quick and precise in turning. I took turns much faster than the Fargo with less steering and more leaning. On what trails I have been able to ride the Gryphon kind of dances through, very graceful handling. I went through a fallow field I had ridden on the Fargo and the Gryphon felt a little less deliberate than the Fargo. The Fargo is more hot rod Jeep with great handling. The Fargo really moves you with confidence. The Gryphon handles the terrain best with power input, a sports car feel. Like a 1965 Austin Healey 3000 with all wheel drive that likes to climb.
I am glad I don’t have a choice to make between having one or the other. I feel the bikes are enough different it will come down to what you want to do and how you want to spend your money. The Gryphon is a more fanciful ride while the Fargo is more focused and deliberate. The Gryphon replaces almost all the skinny tire rides while the Fargo will take me those places I want to go with all my stuff. The Fargo is a joy to ride.
The Gryphon frame is really based on running SS, geared hub, or a one nine. It can be built geared with no problem but the guides and routings speak SS. The 2.1 Vulpines fit fine with a front derailleur but it would be close with anything bigger than 2.3′s. The frame color and graphics are beautiful, I don’t want to chip the paint but know it will come.
I have some pics but no 13 year old in the house to show me how to post them. Off the library to find a For Dummies tutorial.
Singular shines bright with the Gryphon for me but I am certainly not a credentialed bicycle reviewer. I do know when you merge a good steel bike with that power input and it produces a give back as good as it gets feeling it is a good frame.

]]> By: justanoldhobo http://twentynineinches.com/2010/02/28/singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box/#comment-65677 justanoldhobo Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:11:12 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=4900#comment-65677 Martini, Will the Racing Ralphs 2.4 clear a Front Derailleur? Martini,
Will the Racing Ralphs 2.4 clear a Front Derailleur?

]]> By: martini http://twentynineinches.com/2010/02/28/singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box/#comment-65653 martini Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:14:11 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=4900#comment-65653 FWIW, I can get Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.4's front and rear on the Gryphon, mounted on Salsa Delgado race rims. That's arguably the biggest tire on the market for general XC riding. There's even a bit of room for mud at that point too. FWIW, I can get Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.4′s front and rear on the Gryphon, mounted on Salsa Delgado race rims. That’s arguably the biggest tire on the market for general XC riding. There’s even a bit of room for mud at that point too.

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2010/02/28/singular-cycles-gryphon-out-of-the-box/#comment-65652 Guitar Ted Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:32:19 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=4900#comment-65652 @Willie: On weight: This isn't really out of sorts for a double butted steel 29"er. A Karate Monkey, for instance, weighs over 7lbs in a 20"er size with the KM fork. Redline Monocogs are in a similar weight range. @justanoldhobo: Yes, but take that with a grain of salt, and be aware of combinations that will and won't work. For instance, a 2.3"er/2.4"er may fit on narrow rim with some clearance. (Minimal- no real mud clearance) Some wider rims may be where you'll see some clearance issues. Smaller riders may also get away with bigger tires without rubbing the stays. I plan on putting a few tires in to estimate more closely what will and won't work. @Willie: The Blackbuck fork would probably cross over as well as the Fargo fork, (the 50mm offset one) However; unless you somehow got a Gryphon without a fork, or damaged your Gryphon fork, I don't see why a change to the Blackbuck fork would be an advantage. The Fargo fork- now I could see going that way for more water carrying capacity, but otherwise this seems like a step backwards in the looks department at least. @Willie: On weight: This isn’t really out of sorts for a double butted steel 29″er. A Karate Monkey, for instance, weighs over 7lbs in a 20″er size with the KM fork. Redline Monocogs are in a similar weight range.

@justanoldhobo: Yes, but take that with a grain of salt, and be aware of combinations that will and won’t work. For instance, a 2.3″er/2.4″er may fit on narrow rim with some clearance. (Minimal- no real mud clearance) Some wider rims may be where you’ll see some clearance issues. Smaller riders may also get away with bigger tires without rubbing the stays.

I plan on putting a few tires in to estimate more closely what will and won’t work.

@Willie: The Blackbuck fork would probably cross over as well as the Fargo fork, (the 50mm offset one) However; unless you somehow got a Gryphon without a fork, or damaged your Gryphon fork, I don’t see why a change to the Blackbuck fork would be an advantage. The Fargo fork- now I could see going that way for more water carrying capacity, but otherwise this seems like a step backwards in the looks department at least.

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