One of the most eagerly awaited models for 2010, the Specialized Epic Marathon 29″er was high on our list of “must ride” bikes at the Demo this year. Here is Grannygear’s and my take on the dual suspension rig.
First up, Grannygear with his thoughts……
All day on the first Demo Day, Guitar Ted and I tried to check out one of these bikes and they were never to be seen. They were always being ridden. Good for those riding them, bad for us. So we got out bright and early the next day and headed straight to Specialized central and ordered two Epics, big wheels, hold the mayo. It makes for a good morning when the first bike that you take out sets a high standard of expectations for all others to come. That was the Epic 29er.
I had ridden a Brain equipped bike when the first Stumpjumper FSR 29ers came out and I was intrigued. I again rode a preproduction Epic Marathon at Sea Otter, but only briefly. I was really ready to be impressed. I was. The Brain shock had issues in the early years of the development of the shock. Seal issues, failures, etc (although Specialized was very supportive to warranty issues with them). The bugs seem to have been worked out from more recent reports and that is a good thing as it transforms the aging FSR suspension into a design that competes nicely with the new offerings that use a Virtual Pivot type design like the Niner CVA, DW link and VPP. I could hardly feel the Brain turning on and off and I could barely hear it too as it gives off a soft but audible ‘clack’. The platform result is just fabulous and the Epic was very, very close in performance to the Tall Boy, my benchmark for the weekend in the 3-4” travel range. I think the extra stiffness of the Tall Boy made the difference there, but honestly, both bikes are super.
There was one odd thing I noticed on the Epic that kept it a rung down in my personal ranking. I felt it both at Sea Otter and at Bootleg and it is a difficult to describe front end effect that would manifest itself on some sharper corners when the front wheel was loaded a bit. It just felt like it wanted to fall over into the turn. I really noticed it in the first few corners and by the end of the ride I hardly noticed it at all. Not sure about that, maybe the semi- radial laced wheel flexing? Dunno. Oddly, it was not always there, just once and awhile and Guitar Ted never felt it. Not a deal breaker, but odd. One other niggling thing, both GT and I hit our heels on the chainstays every so often.
The Marathon 29er joins the ranks of a bike I could just disappear into the horizon on, train on, weekend ride on, endurance race, etc. It climbs well in or out of the saddle, feels like a middle weight trail bike when it needs to and then just gets down to not getting in the way and lets the rider cover some ground. The Epic Marathon 29er is gonna’ make some friends, I tell ya.
Guitar Ted’s Impressions:
I had an early FSR suspension bike, an S-Works back in 1995, and I always liked that bike for its active suspension and bump eating abilities. Of course, it climbed only if you were in the saddle, and if I was getting 2.5″ of travel it was a good day. Fast forward to the Demo. I now was aboard the new Epic Marathon 29″er, and to be honest, other than knowing it was a 15 year evolution of the bike I had once, I had no preconceived notions regarding this rig.
We had expert service at the Specialized tent, since they had plenty of time to take with us because of our pre-Demo hours ride. The suspension was set up for me spot on. I will say that it was extremely well balanced feeling, and I was comfortable with the balance between stiffness and suppleness that was dialed into the Brain. Out of the saddle climbs were really decent. Very little bob at all. In the saddle I felt I could motor over anything I had legs to get over.
Descending I felt only a touch of wallowing in the end stroke of the suspensions travel. Maybe fiddling with rebound would have helped here, but obviously, we had no time for fine tuning. It wasn’t a big deal, but something I noted. The Brain had an audible clack at times which vibrated the frame a bit. Nothing to be concerned with, and I probably wouldn’t even notice it if the bike were my regular ride. It was very different to me though. Trail irregularities were pretty much erased throughout the ride, and this was a very close ride to the Tall Boy in my mind. The Brain being the big difference maker here. Without that, I doubt the Epic would have felt quite as nice and solid when pedaling.
I didn’t get that the Epic was a XC race machine, especially in the steering department. It had a definite stable feel to my mind. I didn’t know the head angle until later, (70.5 degrees) and then it made sense. The chain stays are about the same length as the new Rumblefish’s are, and I did feel as though the Epic got around the tighter stuff at least as well as the Fisher.
If it hadn’t had been for an occasional heel strike on the right chain stay, the Epic may have been at least as good as the more expensive Tall Boy if not as good looking. As it is, I feel it is a great choice for all day rides, occasional racing, and would be a great endurance/24hr bike to my mind. Specialized has a great trail bike on its hands here that is well worth taking a closer look at.
















GT,
I am really interested in this bike although in the comp version. The heel strike issue has me a bit concerned however. Do you think that the comp with xt cranks would solve that issue? I ask because if I remember correctly the XX cranks have a low q factor. Also how would you rank this bike compared to the HiFi? That is the other bike on my list. Right now I have analysis paralysis between the 2 and I plan on ordering Friday. I guess I could have worse problems huh?
@BeerCan: Heel strike: It was occaisional, and XT cranks probably would eliminate that. Vs HiFi: The Epic is more “marathon/endurance/trail” than the 2010 HiFi line which is set up as more “race/XC/trail” . The HiFi has the highest BoostValve setting Fox makes and that is the way it is. I suppose you could adjust the Brain to be similar. The head angle/offset is quicker on the HiFi, the Epic, more stable. I thought the Epic handled much like the Rumblefish in the steering department. The Epic has 90mm travel in the rear, the HiFi 110mm in the rear. Chainstays are about the same on either model. HiFi has ABP. This is a big deal and really works.
I think if my riding was not going to include racing much, and was more about speedy covering of ground just for fun, with an occaisional endurance/adventure, the Epic would be my choice. If I was going to race, or lived where razor sharp steering was a plus, (or both!) and those things were priorities, the HiFi would get the nod.
In my mind the Epic is actually more like the Rumblefish with less travel. It’s a different bike than anything Fisher has, at any rate.
so did you guys not ride the Stumpy FSR 29er? Can’t find a unbiased report of this bike anywhere. Would love a comparo of the FSR to the Rumble and Tallboy
@JJJ: Unfortunately, no. We had a tough time just getting out on the Epics we got our mitts on, and we had to pre-arrange that for Tuseday before anyone else showed up!
Those Stumpies were being ridden though. I saw them go by me several times throughout the demo. Must have been by shop folks though, since no reviews are popping up anywhere.
I always thought of the epic as a race machine.I currently have a stumpjumper marathon 29 hard tail that i race and now im torn between the epic or specialized carbon hardtail.Any idea on weight and msrp on the epic 29?
I too wish there was more info on an Epic vs Stumpy ride. But both might be moot if the answer to this question is “no go”:
Will both these frame work with a Rohloff Speedhub? (unlike the Fisher’s?)
Thanks G-Ted.
@Big620: Weight seemed decent. Under 30lbs, maybe as low as 26lbs. (????) Not sure, but neither Grannygear orI thought it was heavy at all.
@Wish I Were Riding: The Rohloff idea should work on the Epic. Horst Link, but the Speed Bone can attach to the seat stay, if I recall correctly. It should be doable.
Great review as always. Can you compare the Epic with the Jet9? Have heard that the Jet 9 has some flex issues and I’m looking for something that stays laterally stiff when climbing out of the saddle.
I felt that the Epic was stiffer, but the JET is being re-done and I would be very surprised if the end result is not a much improved chassis on the Niner. The two bikes will be very closely matched but with slightly different approaches in geometry, etc.
grannygear
I know everyone wants to talk about the brain and handling of the bike. But did Specialized comment at all on why those chose only to put a The Captain up front and a Fast Trak LK on the rear of this bike only? Silly question but am just a bit curious.
Just to say I would also like to see some SJ FSR ride impressions
Nice report.
What is the framesize os these bike’s you guys rode on?
@Bakkie: Large and XL.
Too bad they did not have enough forethought to do fox fork/specialized inertia valve technology for the front shock to make it a well balanced out rig. Most of your unwanted bob comes from the front. Also, to do a carbon s-works model. The front brain and full carbon body would make this a remarkably competitive entry into the new dual suspension 29ers coming out from Santa Cruz and Fisher.
As it is….not so much.