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	<title>Comments on: 29&#8243;er DH: The Final Frontier?</title>
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		<title>By: oilcanracer</title>
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		<dc:creator>oilcanracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its going to come down to the best tool for the job.  with the obvious advantages that a 29er dh bike has over a 26&quot; version many race courses are becoming more and more challenging  for bikes and riders.  29&quot; wheel momentum and grip can out do 26&quot; wheels easily on some courses, not to mention rolling over stuff which is very much a part of dh.

the pro dh rider will soon be showing up with two bikes(26&quot; and 29&quot;) and pick depending on the course conditions.  The switch over to xc has been firmly seeded and is blooming wonderfully.  once we get some 29&quot; glue on tubulars there will be no excuses.

like others said its only a matter of time and matching components.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its going to come down to the best tool for the job.  with the obvious advantages that a 29er dh bike has over a 26&#8243; version many race courses are becoming more and more challenging  for bikes and riders.  29&#8243; wheel momentum and grip can out do 26&#8243; wheels easily on some courses, not to mention rolling over stuff which is very much a part of dh.</p>
<p>the pro dh rider will soon be showing up with two bikes(26&#8243; and 29&#8243;) and pick depending on the course conditions.  The switch over to xc has been firmly seeded and is blooming wonderfully.  once we get some 29&#8243; glue on tubulars there will be no excuses.</p>
<p>like others said its only a matter of time and matching components.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikerumor</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2009/09/01/29er-dh-the-final-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-60955</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerumor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did an in-depth interview with Specialized, Foes, Santa Cruz, Norco, Banshee and Niner about why no one was making a 29er DH bike.  The interview is from July 2009, and at that time, no one seemed to think it made any sense, though Niner hinted that they&#039;re tinkering.

Here&#039;s the link:
http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/07/13/why-doesnt-anyone-make-a-29er-downhill-bike/

And there are a few comments from some other brands that have toyed with it, but nothing that&#039;s in production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did an in-depth interview with Specialized, Foes, Santa Cruz, Norco, Banshee and Niner about why no one was making a 29er DH bike.  The interview is from July 2009, and at that time, no one seemed to think it made any sense, though Niner hinted that they&#8217;re tinkering.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/07/13/why-doesnt-anyone-make-a-29er-downhill-bike/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/07/13/why-doesnt-anyone-make-a-29er-downhill-bike/</a></p>
<p>And there are a few comments from some other brands that have toyed with it, but nothing that&#8217;s in production.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert9r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert9r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about this-  http://www.littermag.com/techno/bcd29er/1.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about this-  <a href="http://www.littermag.com/techno/bcd29er/1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.littermag.com/techno/bcd29er/1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy the short CS idea for a DH bike.  It may be good for an east coast supertight trail but makes the bike way more unstable on a  fast run- DH or not.  Why woud this be any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy the short CS idea for a DH bike.  It may be good for an east coast supertight trail but makes the bike way more unstable on a  fast run- DH or not.  Why woud this be any different?</p>
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		<title>By: optimus GRRR</title>
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		<dc:creator>optimus GRRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent way to work a Jurassic Park reference into a down hill 29er conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent way to work a Jurassic Park reference into a down hill 29er conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>29ers are awesome - period.  So are Lenz and Curiak.  I would like to see this experiment work - but if it doesn&#039;t then 29ers will not be a failure, nor will Devin, nor Mike.  If it weren&#039;t for the big wheels, I might not be on the trails - 26ers sucked that much for me.  So, if I can ever, at my advanced age and decrepitude, ride DH, I am sure this will be the way.

But I don&#039;t have to ride DH to know these 29ers are superior vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29ers are awesome &#8211; period.  So are Lenz and Curiak.  I would like to see this experiment work &#8211; but if it doesn&#8217;t then 29ers will not be a failure, nor will Devin, nor Mike.  If it weren&#8217;t for the big wheels, I might not be on the trails &#8211; 26ers sucked that much for me.  So, if I can ever, at my advanced age and decrepitude, ride DH, I am sure this will be the way.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t have to ride DH to know these 29ers are superior vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Broke Cyclist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broke Cyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Push the edge of the envelope guys.  Designing, testing and relooking how to do things improves the 29r product line.  Success isn&#039;t based on who makes the podium first.

Folks also said for years that 29rs wouldn&#039;t be successful nor accepted on the pro circuit either....a husband and wife team have proved the nay sayers wrong this year.  The Europeans are starting to review 29rs in their mainstream MTB magazines so we have a foot hold starting in that market which is good.

I&#039;ll say this.  They won&#039;t be the perfect wheel choice for all things cycling, but I&#039;m damn happy for what they do for me.

I wanna read about a 7&quot; full carbon sub 32 pound 29r by 2011.  Git at it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Push the edge of the envelope guys.  Designing, testing and relooking how to do things improves the 29r product line.  Success isn&#8217;t based on who makes the podium first.</p>
<p>Folks also said for years that 29rs wouldn&#8217;t be successful nor accepted on the pro circuit either&#8230;.a husband and wife team have proved the nay sayers wrong this year.  The Europeans are starting to review 29rs in their mainstream MTB magazines so we have a foot hold starting in that market which is good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say this.  They won&#8217;t be the perfect wheel choice for all things cycling, but I&#8217;m damn happy for what they do for me.</p>
<p>I wanna read about a 7&#8243; full carbon sub 32 pound 29r by 2011.  Git at it!</p>
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		<title>By: Cloxxki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloxxki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I know about bikes, DH bikes, and laws of physics as we have no choice but to obey them, larger wheels DO make sence for DH.

Let&#039;s summerize what DH is all about, and how 29&quot; works for that in general.
+- Hard pedaling, fighting the various drag factors (air, rolling resistance, roll-over resistance)
+- Speed changes (often over-estimated IMO) : accelerating rider+bike weight = &gt;200lb
+ Flight. Low and fast, with maximum control upon landing to then either brake or pedal hard.
+ Last-moment braking (brake traction and stability sought)
+ Cornering with minimal speed loss (cornering grip needed.

The wheels being bigger, they might have increased air drag. That doesn&#039;t keep people from using 29&quot; for the faster of XC events, though. To the contrary, it seems.
Rolling resistance and roll-over both are huge in DH. just roll a DH bike down an XC trail. It drags. Damper rebounds... Rigid bikes can be rolled down slopes faster, to a point of bumpiness of course. Larger wheels and less travel, should even out, but nett a faster combination.
29&quot; is associated with &quot;heavier wheel&quot;, and THUS (...) &quot;slow&quot; acceleration. I&#039;ve always contested this, and taken the lead in many a race to support my words with factoids. Wheel weight is just minor over the whole, and the percental change fraction at that, let alone when factoring bike and rider weight. The reduced rolling resistance should be of greater factor, or somewhere in the &quot;all else being of the same quality level&quot; equasion, something went very wrong.
Flight is subjective, My opinion (+) in listed. I&#039;ve raced 4-cross (forced with 26&quot;), and ridden the courses down on my XC 29&quot;ers to come to that conclusion.
Everyone who&#039;s ridding a 29&quot;er knows about braking and cornering traction. This alone, will be worth several seconds down a WC downhill.
Overall control, precision and line fluidity, remain undiscussed here.

I&#039;d love to read those initial ride reports for the Lenz. Where are they?

(disclaimer: I was on a mission to get a similar level 29&quot; DH t happen in 2003 or so, and miserably failed, didn&#039;t get any help other than the prices for prototype production of frame. White Borthers was the only really helpful party.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I know about bikes, DH bikes, and laws of physics as we have no choice but to obey them, larger wheels DO make sence for DH.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s summerize what DH is all about, and how 29&#8243; works for that in general.<br />
+- Hard pedaling, fighting the various drag factors (air, rolling resistance, roll-over resistance)<br />
+- Speed changes (often over-estimated IMO) : accelerating rider+bike weight = &gt;200lb<br />
+ Flight. Low and fast, with maximum control upon landing to then either brake or pedal hard.<br />
+ Last-moment braking (brake traction and stability sought)<br />
+ Cornering with minimal speed loss (cornering grip needed.</p>
<p>The wheels being bigger, they might have increased air drag. That doesn&#8217;t keep people from using 29&#8243; for the faster of XC events, though. To the contrary, it seems.<br />
Rolling resistance and roll-over both are huge in DH. just roll a DH bike down an XC trail. It drags. Damper rebounds&#8230; Rigid bikes can be rolled down slopes faster, to a point of bumpiness of course. Larger wheels and less travel, should even out, but nett a faster combination.<br />
29&#8243; is associated with &#8220;heavier wheel&#8221;, and THUS (&#8230;) &#8220;slow&#8221; acceleration. I&#8217;ve always contested this, and taken the lead in many a race to support my words with factoids. Wheel weight is just minor over the whole, and the percental change fraction at that, let alone when factoring bike and rider weight. The reduced rolling resistance should be of greater factor, or somewhere in the &#8220;all else being of the same quality level&#8221; equasion, something went very wrong.<br />
Flight is subjective, My opinion (+) in listed. I&#8217;ve raced 4-cross (forced with 26&#8243;), and ridden the courses down on my XC 29&#8243;ers to come to that conclusion.<br />
Everyone who&#8217;s ridding a 29&#8243;er knows about braking and cornering traction. This alone, will be worth several seconds down a WC downhill.<br />
Overall control, precision and line fluidity, remain undiscussed here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to read those initial ride reports for the Lenz. Where are they?</p>
<p>(disclaimer: I was on a mission to get a similar level 29&#8243; DH t happen in 2003 or so, and miserably failed, didn&#8217;t get any help other than the prices for prototype production of frame. White Borthers was the only really helpful party.)</p>
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		<title>By: t0m</title>
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		<dc:creator>t0m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sevo- &quot;But I don’t think you’ll be seeing 29er DH rigs making the podium ever in the DH world in major races. &quot;

I&#039;m not sure about that. Maybe not in the next year but at this point it&#039;s damn near inevitable. If the 29&quot; DH race tire selection comes through, I have no doubt that the bigger wheel will carry its advantages to a podium. One other issue is getting top talent onto a 29er. The elite DH guys are a level above anything prior, and the merely good (privateer, small company) DH ranks rarely break through to the podium. The giant companies aren&#039;t going to introduce a DH 29er. But it&#039;s still coming. There will be a DH 29er on a podium in a major US race soon. 1-3 years. Then it&#039;ll be big.

The Lenz is nice. Looks like the closest to the mark yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sevo- &#8220;But I don’t think you’ll be seeing 29er DH rigs making the podium ever in the DH world in major races. &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that. Maybe not in the next year but at this point it&#8217;s damn near inevitable. If the 29&#8243; DH race tire selection comes through, I have no doubt that the bigger wheel will carry its advantages to a podium. One other issue is getting top talent onto a 29er. The elite DH guys are a level above anything prior, and the merely good (privateer, small company) DH ranks rarely break through to the podium. The giant companies aren&#8217;t going to introduce a DH 29er. But it&#8217;s still coming. There will be a DH 29er on a podium in a major US race soon. 1-3 years. Then it&#8217;ll be big.</p>
<p>The Lenz is nice. Looks like the closest to the mark yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Shop Mechanic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shop Mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is truly groundbreaking news.  The geometry numbers are spectacular.  17.25&quot; CS is bang on for a modern DH bike and to pull it off with a 29&quot; wheel is amazing.  Much shorter than many hardtails out there!  All the other numbers look perfect as well (maybe 1/4 to 3/8ths of an inch lower on the bb height to put it more in line with the modern bikes especially given its shorter travel but this is minor).  Even if you don&#039;t think that DH on a 29er is a good thing or not at least now we have a bike where the concept can be adequately tested at the very least.  Dirt magazine did an article about 2 years ago asking all the big time DH bike designers if they thought that 29&quot; wheels were the future of downhill and there were some very positive remarks on it as a possibility.  So I think that the idea has a fighting chance in the marketplace if some other brands are willing to experiment with the idea.  Big virtually high five to Lenz!  Although I am wincing at the grip choice (hurts credibility, just being honest here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is truly groundbreaking news.  The geometry numbers are spectacular.  17.25&#8243; CS is bang on for a modern DH bike and to pull it off with a 29&#8243; wheel is amazing.  Much shorter than many hardtails out there!  All the other numbers look perfect as well (maybe 1/4 to 3/8ths of an inch lower on the bb height to put it more in line with the modern bikes especially given its shorter travel but this is minor).  Even if you don&#8217;t think that DH on a 29er is a good thing or not at least now we have a bike where the concept can be adequately tested at the very least.  Dirt magazine did an article about 2 years ago asking all the big time DH bike designers if they thought that 29&#8243; wheels were the future of downhill and there were some very positive remarks on it as a possibility.  So I think that the idea has a fighting chance in the marketplace if some other brands are willing to experiment with the idea.  Big virtually high five to Lenz!  Although I am wincing at the grip choice (hurts credibility, just being honest here).</p>
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