Comments on: Top Ten 29″er Products Of 2008: Final Thoughts And A List! http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/ 29er Bike Reviews, Rumors and News Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:07:14 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: mudslinger0009 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-58654 mudslinger0009 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:34:06 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-58654 I currently ride a Gary Fisher HiFi Deluxe 29er. I have gotten the CX racing bug and want a more responsive bike and lighter wouldn't hurt either. I'm a bigger guy, 220#, so flex is a concern, which is another reason I'm looking to change frames. I have seriously experienced the "wag" of the HiFi frame. My question is about the Niner Air 9. Anyone have experiance with this frame and any feed back? I currently ride a Gary Fisher HiFi Deluxe 29er. I have gotten the CX racing bug and want a more responsive bike and lighter wouldn’t hurt either. I’m a bigger guy, 220#, so flex is a concern, which is another reason I’m looking to change frames. I have seriously experienced the “wag” of the HiFi frame.

My question is about the Niner Air 9. Anyone have experiance with this frame and any feed back?

]]> By: joel http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-58209 joel Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:53:09 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-58209 Broken.... Look at volumes. The RMZ is a one size fits all bike that they will make about 15,000 of. In the MX industry riders have about 5 real choices of manufacturers. Now do the math for the cycling industry. Seperate fixtures/tooling for each size frame...that gets distributed among all frames sizes, even though quantities are way different. (ex, you are going to sell a lot more medium and large frames than XL, but all the prices are the same). The number of cycling manufacturers.... do you even want to take a stab at that number? Can you imagine if Suzuki was only going to sell the same number of MX bikes that GF sold of the superfly? The RMZ would be closer to $20k. Broken….

Look at volumes. The RMZ is a one size fits all bike that they will make about 15,000 of. In the MX industry riders have about 5 real choices of manufacturers.

Now do the math for the cycling industry.

Seperate fixtures/tooling for each size frame…that gets distributed among all frames sizes, even though quantities are way different. (ex, you are going to sell a lot more medium and large frames than XL, but all the prices are the same).

The number of cycling manufacturers…. do you even want to take a stab at that number?

Can you imagine if Suzuki was only going to sell the same number of MX bikes that GF sold of the superfly? The RMZ would be closer to $20k.

]]> By: Broke Cyclist http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-55680 Broke Cyclist Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:29:11 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-55680 2008 GF Super Fly released with a MSRP of about $3,400.00 (Pretty decent value) Mid to late season prices dropped to about $3,000.00 (Even better value border damn good deal) Saw a brand new GF Super Fly go off the floor for $2,800.00 mid November (Freggin outstanding deal/steal) 2009 GF Super Fly on the show room floor, slightly de-spec'd from last years model.....$4,300.00 Do the math and thats about 21% mark up from last year....humm. I remember seeing bits and pieces starting around Eurobike and Interbike time that "Industry" was categorically going to raise prices 15-20% but I guess they didn't see the global economy taking a dump either. Bikes are getting more an more expensive but lets take a look at the price of some motorized technology....Suzuki 2009 RM-Z450 MSRP: $7,499.00 (0.97% more expensive than last years model). All new improvement in engine and suspension for 2009 and waaaaaaaaay more complicated than the most efficient transportation means developed by man, and definitely re-engineered more than the slightly de-spec'd 2009 Super Fly. I'm not seeing the cycling industry really developing ground breaking technology that warrants such an increase prices although there are some very nice but pricy improvements. Oh my just price the new Super Record 11 or Dura Ace stuff too just for fun. Can't wait to see what the new SRAM XX group is going to cost either. 2010 I guess will be the year to pick up a good deal on a 2009. Maybe we just call 2009 the year of the upgrade you current steed with some new components. 2008

GF Super Fly released with a MSRP of about $3,400.00 (Pretty decent value)
Mid to late season prices dropped to about $3,000.00 (Even better value border damn good deal)

Saw a brand new GF Super Fly go off the floor for $2,800.00 mid November (Freggin outstanding deal/steal)

2009

GF Super Fly on the show room floor, slightly de-spec’d from last years model…..$4,300.00

Do the math and thats about 21% mark up from last year….humm.

I remember seeing bits and pieces starting around Eurobike and Interbike time that “Industry” was categorically going to raise prices 15-20% but I guess they didn’t see the global economy taking a dump either. Bikes are getting more an more expensive but lets take a look at the price of some motorized technology….Suzuki 2009 RM-Z450
MSRP: $7,499.00 (0.97% more expensive than last years model). All new improvement in engine and suspension for 2009 and waaaaaaaaay more complicated than the most efficient transportation means developed by man, and definitely re-engineered more than the slightly de-spec’d 2009 Super Fly.

I’m not seeing the cycling industry really developing ground breaking technology that warrants such an increase prices although there are some very nice but pricy improvements. Oh my just price the new Super Record 11 or Dura Ace stuff too just for fun. Can’t wait to see what the new SRAM XX group is going to cost either.

2010 I guess will be the year to pick up a good deal on a 2009. Maybe we just call 2009 the year of the upgrade you current steed with some new components.

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-55679 Guitar Ted Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:07:50 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-55679 Tim: Because the Fargo didn't get here until November 2008 and we are not even done testing and reviewing it yet. ;) Don't be surprised to see it on the 2009 Top Ten List. Tim: Because the Fargo didn’t get here until November 2008 and we are not even done testing and reviewing it yet. ;)

Don’t be surprised to see it on the 2009 Top Ten List.

]]> By: Tim http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-55678 Tim Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:13:56 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-55678 #11: Fargo But why not higher? #11: Fargo

But why not higher?

]]> By: prphoto http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-55675 prphoto Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:20:20 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-55675 I second that. Ted I've found your reviews to "fair and balanced" Even my Trek rep admits to reading you. (OK I beat it out of him) And it was great to meet you in person at Sea Otter. I have one bike its a 29er. I second that. Ted I’ve found your reviews to “fair and balanced” Even my Trek rep admits to reading you. (OK I beat it out of him) And it was great to meet you in person at Sea Otter.

I have one bike its a 29er.

]]> By: paragon jeff http://twentynineinches.com/2009/01/03/top-ten-29er-products-of-2008-final-thoughts-and-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-55661 paragon jeff Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:50:24 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1708#comment-55661 Hey Ted, this is my firsy year on a 29er and i had a great time. I'm hooked....i love reading your feed it has been very informative and fun. keep it up! thanks Hey Ted, this is my firsy year on a 29er and i had a great time. I’m hooked….i love reading your feed it has been very informative and fun. keep it up!

thanks

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