Comments on: Geax Saguaro 2.2″ UST and TNT Tires: Out Of The Box http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/ 29er Bike Reviews, Rumors and News Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:20:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: DavidR http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-60580 DavidR Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:39:41 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-60580 I would really like to get a set of these in the TNT version. Does anybody know of a shop that has these in stock? I can't seem to find them anywhere. I would really like to get a set of these in the TNT version. Does anybody know of a shop that has these in stock? I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

]]> By: Jdog http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-55194 Jdog Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:42:47 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-55194 I really loved this tire on my first ride with them the other night. This is my 1st 29er tubeless setup. I ran the Stan's Flow rims and latex sealant with great result. i ran about 25 psi on both and at 210 lbs I hit the rear rim just once in 3 hours of riding. I know I would have pinched a tube on such a hit. They seem to roll as fast as the Hutchinson Python but at the same time they offer much more traction. These will be staying on the bike for some time. Love em! j I really loved this tire on my first ride with them the other night. This is my 1st 29er tubeless setup.

I ran the Stan’s Flow rims and latex sealant with great result. i ran about 25 psi on both and at 210 lbs I hit the rear rim just once in 3 hours of riding. I know I would have pinched a tube on such a hit.

They seem to roll as fast as the Hutchinson Python but at the same time they offer much more traction.

These will be staying on the bike for some time.

Love em!

j

]]> By: professed http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54159 professed Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:59:35 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54159 jmoote a word of support for GT being a long standing advocate of tubeless on regular folding tyres with Stans - I had my first and quite monster blow off with folding Racing Ralphs and sealant. My rear tyre blew completely off the rim ! All my fault though - Shimano UST rims rather than Stans rims - they dont have the same 'hook' as Stans rims - a little more pressure than usual (over 30psi due to smooth conditions) and an old tyre. But this shows that you need to know what you are doing with tubeless conversions on regular folding and those not as switched on as most readers of this forum - and in this case this writer!! - are subject to the risk of not taking enough care. End results are obvious. Good on Geax for lifting the bar for us 29ers. jmoote

a word of support for GT
being a long standing advocate of tubeless on regular folding tyres with Stans – I had my first and quite monster blow off with folding Racing Ralphs and sealant. My rear tyre blew completely off the rim !
All my fault though
– Shimano UST rims rather than Stans rims – they dont have the same ‘hook’ as Stans rims – a little more pressure than usual (over 30psi due to smooth conditions) and an old tyre.
But this shows that you need to know what you are doing with tubeless conversions on regular folding and those not as switched on as most readers of this forum – and in this case this writer!! – are subject to the risk of not taking enough care. End results are obvious.
Good on Geax for lifting the bar for us 29ers.

]]> By: jmoote http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54155 jmoote Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:34:07 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54155 I do understand that tire manufacturers cannot legally endorse tubeless conversion of regular folding tires, but it's no secret that the great majority of tubeless users are doing just that. With rims like the Stan's ZTR, there's little motivation to do anything else. So my point is that while I don't expect Geax to tell us to go ahead and convert the regular version, I wonder how they expect the TNT to sell when the folding Saguaro is a known good tire for tubeless use within the end user community. I do understand that tire manufacturers cannot legally endorse tubeless conversion of regular folding tires, but it’s no secret that the great majority of tubeless users are doing just that. With rims like the Stan’s ZTR, there’s little motivation to do anything else.

So my point is that while I don’t expect Geax to tell us to go ahead and convert the regular version, I wonder how they expect the TNT to sell when the folding Saguaro is a known good tire for tubeless use within the end user community.

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54146 Guitar Ted Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:01:50 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54146 jmoote: The thing is, Geax does not recommend that anyone convert the folding Geax Saguaro to tubeless. The bead is not designed to withstand the forces exerted upon it and may cause a cash, injury, or death if used in this manner. To address this, Geax has introduced this TNT version to allow those wanting a tubeless tire, but not a ull on weighty UST casing, a way to achieve this safely. The TNT's bead is made to UST spec., so it will fit better and not blow off, or fail catastrophically under normal use on a tubeless rim. The UST casing is certainly a tougher tire, so that will definitely appeal to those having issues with torn sidewalls all the time. mg: There is a tire coming that I know about from Geax that will address your width concerns and will be offered in folding, TNT, and UST casings. Stay Tuned! :) jmoote: The thing is, Geax does not recommend that anyone convert the folding Geax Saguaro to tubeless. The bead is not designed to withstand the forces exerted upon it and may cause a cash, injury, or death if used in this manner. To address this, Geax has introduced this TNT version to allow those wanting a tubeless tire, but not a ull on weighty UST casing, a way to achieve this safely. The TNT’s bead is made to UST spec., so it will fit better and not blow off, or fail catastrophically under normal use on a tubeless rim.

The UST casing is certainly a tougher tire, so that will definitely appeal to those having issues with torn sidewalls all the time.

mg: There is a tire coming that I know about from Geax that will address your width concerns and will be offered in folding, TNT, and UST casings. Stay Tuned! :)

]]> By: mg http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54128 mg Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:52:52 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54128 So if I'm hearing Jdog right, it might be somewhat of a "light, medium, heavy" sort of deal between the tubed, TnT and UST versions... You can run 'em all tubeless, but depending on how burly you want/need your casings to be, you can choose your weapon. As mentioned before though, it's too bad the "heavy" version doesn't also come with a bit of extra size/volume to give it a bit of extra burliness. That'd be much appreciated... Say, perhaps something in the range of a 2.4. If you're going with a 900 gram tire anyway, what's it going to hurt to add 50 grams and make it a little bigger... a little better??? That's the question I'm pondering as I look at this seemingly somewhat redundant offering. So if I’m hearing Jdog right, it might be somewhat of a “light, medium, heavy” sort of deal between the tubed, TnT and UST versions… You can run ‘em all tubeless, but depending on how burly you want/need your casings to be, you can choose your weapon.

As mentioned before though, it’s too bad the “heavy” version doesn’t also come with a bit of extra size/volume to give it a bit of extra burliness. That’d be much appreciated… Say, perhaps something in the range of a 2.4. If you’re going with a 900 gram tire anyway, what’s it going to hurt to add 50 grams and make it a little bigger… a little better??? That’s the question I’m pondering as I look at this seemingly somewhat redundant offering.

]]> By: Jdog http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54127 Jdog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:33:17 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54127 I just got the TNT version this week. I think the real advantage here is the much thicker sidewalls as compared to a typical tubed type tire. They are certainly heavier than standard tires. I am building some Flow rims up this week and I will try these tires with some No Tube sealant. This should be a very tough setup. Not light though. I just got the TNT version this week. I think the real advantage here is the much thicker sidewalls as compared to a typical tubed type tire. They are certainly heavier than standard tires. I am building some Flow rims up this week and I will try these tires with some No Tube sealant. This should be a very tough setup. Not light though.

]]> By: jmoote http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54096 jmoote Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:28:19 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54096 new bold graphics = yuck Also, I'm not sure I "get" the TNT version. UST, sure, if that's your thing. The TNT seems redundant though, considering the regular folding version of this tire is one of the better candidates for tubeless conversion of all the tires on the market. Why the extra 110g when the regular version seals up fine and wears longer than most tires? new bold graphics = yuck

Also, I’m not sure I “get” the TNT version. UST, sure, if that’s your thing. The TNT seems redundant though, considering the regular folding version of this tire is one of the better candidates for tubeless conversion of all the tires on the market. Why the extra 110g when the regular version seals up fine and wears longer than most tires?

]]> By: GreenLightGo http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54080 GreenLightGo Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:40:18 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54080 Dude - SWEET! And there I go - my MC build Gordo's arrive next Tuesday, replacing my Flows so I could ride really low pressures on my rigid. Oh well - still have Flows on my Sultan. I ran full UST on Mavic 819s when I had my 5x5 26" bike....liked the heavy duty sidewalls as they promoted better bottom out resistance at low pressure on the fast paced root strikes in Alabama. Dude – SWEET! And there I go – my MC build Gordo’s arrive next Tuesday, replacing my Flows so I could ride really low pressures on my rigid. Oh well – still have Flows on my Sultan. I ran full UST on Mavic 819s when I had my 5×5 26″ bike….liked the heavy duty sidewalls as they promoted better bottom out resistance at low pressure on the fast paced root strikes in Alabama.

]]> By: Davidcopperfield http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/20/geax-saguaro-22-ust-and-tnt-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-54078 Davidcopperfield Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:36:45 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1583#comment-54078 Long travel AM 29er usage Long travel AM 29er usage

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