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	<title>Comments on: Milwaukee Bicycle Company 29&#8243;er: First Impressions</title>
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		<title>By: Illnacord</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/16/milwaukee-bicycle-company-29er-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-54077</link>
		<dc:creator>Illnacord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks GT for the replies. I may have even read those articles earlier before owning a 29er but like most things in life, you have to live through the mistakes/experiences to understand. Thank you again for updating. I def. agree with the 31.8 seatpost size - it also just looks better to have a fat seatpost than a thin one ;-) Aesthetics are more than half the battle when it comes to bikes for me. Otherwise, its put two wheels on a frame and ride back to basics. Anyways, I am now thinking of selling my XXIX Fox F29d large rig in parts and building up a 700cc interwolf&#039;d 38mm with a flat top tube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks GT for the replies. I may have even read those articles earlier before owning a 29er but like most things in life, you have to live through the mistakes/experiences to understand. Thank you again for updating. I def. agree with the 31.8 seatpost size &#8211; it also just looks better to have a fat seatpost than a thin one <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Aesthetics are more than half the battle when it comes to bikes for me. Otherwise, its put two wheels on a frame and ride back to basics. Anyways, I am now thinking of selling my XXIX Fox F29d large rig in parts and building up a 700cc interwolf&#8217;d 38mm with a flat top tube.</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desert9r: Side to side as opposed to vertical flex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desert9r: Side to side as opposed to vertical flex.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert9r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert9r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT- I first read this just after riding my Inbred 26er, :)
by lateral stiffness, what do you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT- I first read this just after riding my Inbred 26er, <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
by lateral stiffness, what do you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/11/16/milwaukee-bicycle-company-29er-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-53937</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desert9r: How does it compare to the Inbred?:  A great question! The Inbred is a very nice riding steel frame, but not as plush feeling as the MBC rig. I feel that the Inbred was also laterally stiffer, so if that is a major concern, then the Inbred might prove to be a better choice. Otherwise, I would choose the MBC based purely on the ride quality/smoothness.  I would choose the Inbred for racing primarily. It is a racier rig. 

Prices: Everything is going up in price, so that said, I can not effectively make a judgement on value until everything settles out. I would say that for a U.S.A. welded, True Temper tubed frame, $1050 isn&#039;t sounding all that bad. 

Weight: I haven&#039;t weighed the bike, but it feels within ounces of my Inbred and that had a carbon rigid fork, while this has a Manitou Minute. I would say it must be reasonably lightweight, but I will weigh it and post up the findings in my next post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desert9r: How does it compare to the Inbred?:  A great question! The Inbred is a very nice riding steel frame, but not as plush feeling as the MBC rig. I feel that the Inbred was also laterally stiffer, so if that is a major concern, then the Inbred might prove to be a better choice. Otherwise, I would choose the MBC based purely on the ride quality/smoothness.  I would choose the Inbred for racing primarily. It is a racier rig. </p>
<p>Prices: Everything is going up in price, so that said, I can not effectively make a judgement on value until everything settles out. I would say that for a U.S.A. welded, True Temper tubed frame, $1050 isn&#8217;t sounding all that bad. </p>
<p>Weight: I haven&#8217;t weighed the bike, but it feels within ounces of my Inbred and that had a carbon rigid fork, while this has a Manitou Minute. I would say it must be reasonably lightweight, but I will weigh it and post up the findings in my next post.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert9r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert9r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT-

I know that you said this is a comfortable rig, how does it compare to the Inbred? are the prices proportionate to the comfort? does high-end steel take off much weight?</description>
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<p>I know that you said this is a comfortable rig, how does it compare to the Inbred? are the prices proportionate to the comfort? does high-end steel take off much weight?</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>illnacord: I have opined on this very subject, back in 2006 I wrote this piece for Twenty Nine Inches:  http://twentynineinches.com/2006/09/10/sloping-top-tube-madness/#comments

Then I continued my views here:  http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2006/09/sloping-top-tube-madness-version-20.html

.......and here:  http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2006/09/sloping-top-tube-madness-version-30.html

And finally, this piece:  http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2007/01/sloping-top-tube-madness-revisited.html (Warning: Some off color sarcastic ranting here.)

The last three links are from my own blog. 

Basically, it is hard not to have a sloping top tube on a 29&quot;er due to the physical nature of the wheel size, rider sizing concerns, and requirements for the use of suspension forks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>illnacord: I have opined on this very subject, back in 2006 I wrote this piece for Twenty Nine Inches:  <a href="http://twentynineinches.com/2006/09/10/sloping-top-tube-madness/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://twentynineinches.com/2006/09/10/sloping-top-tube-madness/#comments</a></p>
<p>Then I continued my views here:  <a href="http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2006/09/sloping-top-tube-madness-version-20.html" rel="nofollow">http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2006/09/sloping-top-tube-madness-version-20.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.and here:  <a href="http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2006/09/sloping-top-tube-madness-version-30.html" rel="nofollow">http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2006/09/sloping-top-tube-madness-version-30.html</a></p>
<p>And finally, this piece:  <a href="http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2007/01/sloping-top-tube-madness-revisited.html" rel="nofollow">http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2007/01/sloping-top-tube-madness-revisited.html</a> (Warning: Some off color sarcastic ranting here.)</p>
<p>The last three links are from my own blog. </p>
<p>Basically, it is hard not to have a sloping top tube on a 29&#8243;er due to the physical nature of the wheel size, rider sizing concerns, and requirements for the use of suspension forks.</p>
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		<title>By: illnacord</title>
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		<dc:creator>illnacord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come all the 29ers seem to have this super angled frame, with a long long long seatpost. The XXIX of mine is starting to bug me along with all the 29er offerings. It&#039;s not as fun as riding my 26&quot; SASS with an 80mm Fox F80X and the top tube is almost horizontal. It&#039;s why the monstercross drop bar phenom is hittin, simply for the horizontal top tube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come all the 29ers seem to have this super angled frame, with a long long long seatpost. The XXIX of mine is starting to bug me along with all the 29er offerings. It&#8217;s not as fun as riding my 26&#8243; SASS with an 80mm Fox F80X and the top tube is almost horizontal. It&#8217;s why the monstercross drop bar phenom is hittin, simply for the horizontal top tube.</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rolltron, Willie: I must say that in my single speeding experiences, I actually prefer 18 inch or there abouts for a chain stay length. I experimented with my Karate Monkey and Inbred, moving things around until I got a balance of tractability, maneuverability, down hill stability, and ride quality that I liked. and on both rigs I ended up at just over 18 inches. (I really despised the KM at its shortest setting) 

My custom Pofahl is at 18.25&quot; at its shortest setting! ;)

All this to say that the &quot;cult of short chain stays&quot; isn&#039;t always the best or most desirable way to go. I remember how when in the 90&#039;s Mountain Bike Action would perennially choose a Breezer as the best 26&quot;er around and they had nearly 17 inch long chain stays that were at least a quarter inch longer than most bikes of its era. Yet they would laud it as the best handling bike you could get. 

I&#039;m not saying longer chain stay bikes are the only way to go, but they are a way to go. ;)
They work and in some areas would be preferable to the ultra short chain stays that a lot of folks think you have to have to make a 29&quot;er, (or any wheel sized bike) handle really well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolltron, Willie: I must say that in my single speeding experiences, I actually prefer 18 inch or there abouts for a chain stay length. I experimented with my Karate Monkey and Inbred, moving things around until I got a balance of tractability, maneuverability, down hill stability, and ride quality that I liked. and on both rigs I ended up at just over 18 inches. (I really despised the KM at its shortest setting) </p>
<p>My custom Pofahl is at 18.25&#8243; at its shortest setting! <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All this to say that the &#8220;cult of short chain stays&#8221; isn&#8217;t always the best or most desirable way to go. I remember how when in the 90&#8217;s Mountain Bike Action would perennially choose a Breezer as the best 26&#8243;er around and they had nearly 17 inch long chain stays that were at least a quarter inch longer than most bikes of its era. Yet they would laud it as the best handling bike you could get. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying longer chain stay bikes are the only way to go, but they are a way to go. <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
They work and in some areas would be preferable to the ultra short chain stays that a lot of folks think you have to have to make a 29&#8243;er, (or any wheel sized bike) handle really well.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18.25&quot; chainstays, WOW!
They must be the longest chainstays this side of a Spot Longboard.
Can you lift the front wheel to clear 4&quot; logpiles, curbs, ect.
Keep up the good work GT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18.25&#8243; chainstays, WOW!<br />
They must be the longest chainstays this side of a Spot Longboard.<br />
Can you lift the front wheel to clear 4&#8243; logpiles, curbs, ect.<br />
Keep up the good work GT!</p>
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		<title>By: Rolltron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolltron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18.25&quot; CSs?  Thats pretty effing long!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18.25&#8243; CSs?  Thats pretty effing long!</p>
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