Comments on: Maxxis Ardent 29″er Tires: Out Of The Box http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/ 29er Bike Reviews, Rumors and News Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:20:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Bog http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-55669 Bog Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:32:59 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-55669 I always put the heavier of my tires on the back (given that I'm running the same tire front and rear). Given that the tire is heavier it likely means that the casing is also heavier and this will handle the extra weight of us bigger guys because the rear is generally where we pinch flat. Makes sense along with what GT is saying about turning a front wheel. I always put the heavier of my tires on the back (given that I’m running the same tire front and rear). Given that the tire is heavier it likely means that the casing is also heavier and this will handle the extra weight of us bigger guys because the rear is generally where we pinch flat. Makes sense along with what GT is saying about turning a front wheel.

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46268 Guitar Ted Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:16:36 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46268 Vandal: I hear ya, but if I am removing weight, I still want it off my rear wheel first. It may be a totally mental thing, but I love the way a light, stiff rear wheel spins up, and weight off the outer edges of my wheels is always a good thing. Vandal: I hear ya, but if I am removing weight, I still want it off my rear wheel first. It may be a totally mental thing, but I love the way a light, stiff rear wheel spins up, and weight off the outer edges of my wheels is always a good thing.

]]> By: Vandal http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46241 Vandal Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:54:38 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46241 GT, All I am saying in Post #8 is that regardless of whether the heavier tire is on the front wheel or the rear wheel, the tire still requires the same amount of energy from the rider to accelerate it. Whether weight is removed from the outer diameter of the front wheel or the outer diameter of the rear wheel, the effect is the same because in a straight line, both wheels have to accelerate at the same rate. Going around a corner is a different matter. Because the front tire has to travel a greater distance, and it is forced to make a more rapid change of direction than the rear tire, the gyroscopic effect of the wheel would be reduced by having a lighter front tire. Thus, the rider would benefit more (use less energy) by putting the lighter of the two tires on the front wheel. GT,
All I am saying in Post #8 is that regardless of whether the heavier tire is on the front wheel or the rear wheel, the tire still requires the same amount of energy from the rider to accelerate it. Whether weight is removed from the outer diameter of the front wheel or the outer diameter of the rear wheel, the effect is the same because in a straight line, both wheels have to accelerate at the same rate.
Going around a corner is a different matter. Because the front tire has to travel a greater distance, and it is forced to make a more rapid change of direction than the rear tire, the gyroscopic effect of the wheel would be reduced by having a lighter front tire. Thus, the rider would benefit more (use less energy) by putting the lighter of the two tires on the front wheel.

]]> By: SSinGA http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46161 SSinGA Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:47:48 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46161 Just did a quick measure on my production Ardents. Cruz weighed them on his ultimate digi scale before mounting @750g. 30psi on Stan'sArch rims 2.15" at the casing. 2.23 at the widest tread block. Just did a quick measure on my production Ardents. Cruz weighed them on his ultimate digi scale before mounting @750g.

30psi on Stan’sArch rims

2.15″ at the casing.
2.23 at the widest tread block.

]]> By: jason in north carolina http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46113 jason in north carolina Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:58:57 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46113 Love these tires, Robb is correct though. I would lower the pressure a little bit and that will increase performance quite a bit IMO. I like the new side logo sweet....looking forward to your review as well Love these tires, Robb is correct though. I would lower the pressure a little bit and that will increase performance quite a bit IMO.

I like the new side logo sweet….looking forward to your review as well

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46080 Guitar Ted Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:52:53 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46080 SSinGA: We'll definitely be getting in some classic hard pack dirt riding on these to start out with. I stacked it up on a ride Sunday and I can testify, that ground is hard on my local trails! :) SSinGA: We’ll definitely be getting in some classic hard pack dirt riding on these to start out with. I stacked it up on a ride Sunday and I can testify, that ground is hard on my local trails! :)

]]> By: SSinGA http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46078 SSinGA Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:49:00 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46078 "The hanger tag also tells us that Maxxis recommends this tire be used for medium, loose, and wet trails. Maxxis also lets us know that the “key feature” of this tire is its cornering control." Maxxis left out hardpack and solid rock, but I'm not so sure about the wet part. This tire is all about cornering control. Works well front and rear, which is what I'm running for fall/winter then I'll add a Crossmark (please make a 2.25!!) to the rear for the dry summer. “The hanger tag also tells us that Maxxis recommends this tire be used for medium, loose, and wet trails. Maxxis also lets us know that the “key feature” of this tire is its cornering control.”

Maxxis left out hardpack and solid rock, but I’m not so sure about the wet part. This tire is all about cornering control. Works well front and rear, which is what I’m running for fall/winter then I’ll add a Crossmark (please make a 2.25!!) to the rear for the dry summer.

]]> By: MG http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46037 MG Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:25:07 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46037 I'm not going to jump into your weight variance debate, because when it comes to how it bites into the trail, it really doesn't matter. For example, when I was railing the Ardent on the front end of my Salsa Dos Niner on the way to third place at the 24 Hours of Seven Oaks this past weekend (solo 24 men), I found it to bite into the loamy conditions with greater authority than the 2.55 Weirwolf LT I was running on my El Mariachi (my alternate bike for the race -- both tires were running 25 psi, 'getto' tubeless). I've found the Ardent is a great compliment when run on the front of the bike with a CrossMark on the rear. That's what I've been racing with lately and it's proven a fast, consistent handling combination on a wide variety of conditions. One thing I do notice is that the Ardent clears mud noticeably faster than the CrossMark, likely due to the more open tread pattern. The good, solid, multi-stepped side knobs are hot though. You can really lean on 'em in the loam. They stick like glue. The first time I hit a corner I knew this was a good tire, weight variance be darned ;) I haven't used the Ardent on the rear yet, so I can't comment on its performance in that role. Cheers, I’m not going to jump into your weight variance debate, because when it comes to how it bites into the trail, it really doesn’t matter. For example, when I was railing the Ardent on the front end of my Salsa Dos Niner on the way to third place at the 24 Hours of Seven Oaks this past weekend (solo 24 men), I found it to bite into the loamy conditions with greater authority than the 2.55 Weirwolf LT I was running on my El Mariachi (my alternate bike for the race — both tires were running 25 psi, ‘getto’ tubeless).

I’ve found the Ardent is a great compliment when run on the front of the bike with a CrossMark on the rear. That’s what I’ve been racing with lately and it’s proven a fast, consistent handling combination on a wide variety of conditions. One thing I do notice is that the Ardent clears mud noticeably faster than the CrossMark, likely due to the more open tread pattern.

The good, solid, multi-stepped side knobs are hot though. You can really lean on ‘em in the loam. They stick like glue. The first time I hit a corner I knew this was a good tire, weight variance be darned ;)

I haven’t used the Ardent on the rear yet, so I can’t comment on its performance in that role.

Cheers,

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46024 Guitar Ted Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:50:11 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46024 Anonymous: If you could peel off "x" grams off your rear wheel weight, and if you could do that on the outer diameter of the wheel, wouldn't you do that? The rear wheel is the heaviest component on most bikes, (especially 29"ers) and any weight saved on that assembly, especially on the outer diameter, where it matters most, is appreciated by most riders. Your mileage may vary. Anonymous: If you could peel off “x” grams off your rear wheel weight, and if you could do that on the outer diameter of the wheel, wouldn’t you do that? The rear wheel is the heaviest component on most bikes, (especially 29″ers) and any weight saved on that assembly, especially on the outer diameter, where it matters most, is appreciated by most riders. Your mileage may vary.

]]> By: Anonymous http://twentynineinches.com/2008/08/29/maxxis-ardent-29er-tires-out-of-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-46016 Anonymous Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:55:06 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/?p=1225#comment-46016 Why would it matter what end of the bike the heavier tire is mounted on? If you accelerate the rear wheel, as long as it isn't slipping, the front wheel has to accelerate at the same rate. Why would it matter what end of the bike the heavier tire is mounted on? If you accelerate the rear wheel, as long as it isn’t slipping, the front wheel has to accelerate at the same rate.

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