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	<title>Comments on: Multi-Purpose Big Wheeling: A New Trend, Or Old?</title>
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		<title>By: Lee T</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/05/20/multi-purpose-big-wheeling-a-new-trend-or-old/#comment-39759</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloxxki,

Well, on closer examination, I think you are right - some of the entries on the Fisher site imply all 29ers are G2 - but when you view the specs for the individual bikes, the Ferrous, and, strangely, the Superfly, do not list G2 in the frame spec.


So, thanks - there my be a carbon fork out there for me now for the Ferrous.

Now I need to ride one somewhere to verify the geometry will be close enough to my HiFi for a meaningful training experience - with, of course, the nicely different steel ride.  The jury is definitely out now.

Thanks again, and memo to GF - should all your 29ers be G2, or, at least, should there be steel and carbon G2s available?

Obviously, I&#039;m stiil learning.

Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloxxki,</p>
<p>Well, on closer examination, I think you are right &#8211; some of the entries on the Fisher site imply all 29ers are G2 &#8211; but when you view the specs for the individual bikes, the Ferrous, and, strangely, the Superfly, do not list G2 in the frame spec.</p>
<p>So, thanks &#8211; there my be a carbon fork out there for me now for the Ferrous.</p>
<p>Now I need to ride one somewhere to verify the geometry will be close enough to my HiFi for a meaningful training experience &#8211; with, of course, the nicely different steel ride.  The jury is definitely out now.</p>
<p>Thanks again, and memo to GF &#8211; should all your 29ers be G2, or, at least, should there be steel and carbon G2s available?</p>
<p>Obviously, I&#8217;m stiil learning.</p>
<p>Lee</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the Surly CX??

Not a true 29er.  But I know someone that is running Nanoraptors on his 60cm CX..you know him too GT.  

I for one love my CX.  It is a great bike.  It handles well on pavement and on gravel.  So far I have used only 700x38 WTB Interwolf tires on my bike.  The interwolfs worked well for me on buff gravel roads.  By buff, I mean gravel roads that had not be recently reworked and had all the gravel pushed back into the middle of the road.  I could ride well used gravel roads all day long by just following the tracks made by car wheels.  And on pavement around town the interwolfs work well.  There are a few around my area that run the Panaracer Fire Cross 700x45 tires on their CX&#039;s.  I would not run that tire urban, but I bet on light single track and gravel roads it is pretty darn good.

My point here is that the 29er touring bike is a cool idea, but IMHO consumers already have an option with bikes like the Surly CX.  I am currently formulating in my head what my perfect gravel road touring bike will be like in the future.  I hope to get a custom bike built a few years down the road, but for now my Surly fits the bill very nicely.

Peace out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the Surly CX??</p>
<p>Not a true 29er.  But I know someone that is running Nanoraptors on his 60cm CX..you know him too GT.  </p>
<p>I for one love my CX.  It is a great bike.  It handles well on pavement and on gravel.  So far I have used only 700&#215;38 WTB Interwolf tires on my bike.  The interwolfs worked well for me on buff gravel roads.  By buff, I mean gravel roads that had not be recently reworked and had all the gravel pushed back into the middle of the road.  I could ride well used gravel roads all day long by just following the tracks made by car wheels.  And on pavement around town the interwolfs work well.  There are a few around my area that run the Panaracer Fire Cross 700&#215;45 tires on their CX&#8217;s.  I would not run that tire urban, but I bet on light single track and gravel roads it is pretty darn good.</p>
<p>My point here is that the 29er touring bike is a cool idea, but IMHO consumers already have an option with bikes like the Surly CX.  I am currently formulating in my head what my perfect gravel road touring bike will be like in the future.  I hope to get a custom bike built a few years down the road, but for now my Surly fits the bill very nicely.</p>
<p>Peace out</p>
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		<title>By: Cloxxki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloxxki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 06:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, think some more about that one. 
Ferrous + G2 fork will net something more nervous than any bike was ever meant to. Or is Ferrous G2 now? 
Note the steep head tube angle on the Ferrous. Nothing makes that a slow handling tourer. And you do not want a short front centre with zero offset either.
The Ferrous may be halfway there, but with a regular 38mm ofset fork. 

Fork slow touring style handling G2 bike, one could fit a fork with intermediate offset. Many of those are in circulation.

When picking bikes, do look very carefully at the axle-crown fork length (after any sag) they supposed in giving their head tube angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, think some more about that one.<br />
Ferrous + G2 fork will net something more nervous than any bike was ever meant to. Or is Ferrous G2 now?<br />
Note the steep head tube angle on the Ferrous. Nothing makes that a slow handling tourer. And you do not want a short front centre with zero offset either.<br />
The Ferrous may be halfway there, but with a regular 38mm ofset fork. </p>
<p>Fork slow touring style handling G2 bike, one could fit a fork with intermediate offset. Many of those are in circulation.</p>
<p>When picking bikes, do look very carefully at the axle-crown fork length (after any sag) they supposed in giving their head tube angle.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee T</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/05/20/multi-purpose-big-wheeling-a-new-trend-or-old/#comment-39712</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the proud owner of 2 Fishers - the Fast City Monona I train on in town, and my first love, my 2008 HiFi Plus 29er.  

It has dawned on me I probably would have liked the Dual Sport better than the Fast City, had I known about it, if only for the reason that it more closely approximates the mountain bike.  

Now, I think I will do a Ferrous 29er, utimately equipped with the G2 Switchblade when it comes out, for my main training bike and alternate mountain ride, with a second wheelset for the around-town training.  This will give me a lot of training benefit with the same geometry as the HiFi.

The Monona gets fenders, rack and commuting duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the proud owner of 2 Fishers &#8211; the Fast City Monona I train on in town, and my first love, my 2008 HiFi Plus 29er.  </p>
<p>It has dawned on me I probably would have liked the Dual Sport better than the Fast City, had I known about it, if only for the reason that it more closely approximates the mountain bike.  </p>
<p>Now, I think I will do a Ferrous 29er, utimately equipped with the G2 Switchblade when it comes out, for my main training bike and alternate mountain ride, with a second wheelset for the around-town training.  This will give me a lot of training benefit with the same geometry as the HiFi.</p>
<p>The Monona gets fenders, rack and commuting duty.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I read a lot more of the touring section of bike forums, there was a lot of interested and good arguments for touring on 26&quot; and 650b wheeled bikes.  I can&#039;t find those posts now, but there is some good reading there if you search for it.  

I think a lot of touring bikes can run fairly big tires - I&#039;ve fit 700x45c tires in my urbane touring bike.  I&#039;ve done a bunch of fire trails with it and 700x35c and 32c tires, lots of fun, if sketchy at times.

I know the usual signs of a good touring bike are a longer wheel base, lower bottom bracket, a fork/geometry that&#039;s gives a neutral to slow handing, tubes meant to be flexy but not noodly at weight and braze ons all over the place.  That&#039;d be cool to see for 700c wheels with lots of clearance.  I&#039;m not sure it&#039;ll happen in big way, but I&#039;m sure there will be a niche market for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I read a lot more of the touring section of bike forums, there was a lot of interested and good arguments for touring on 26&#8243; and 650b wheeled bikes.  I can&#8217;t find those posts now, but there is some good reading there if you search for it.  </p>
<p>I think a lot of touring bikes can run fairly big tires &#8211; I&#8217;ve fit 700x45c tires in my urbane touring bike.  I&#8217;ve done a bunch of fire trails with it and 700x35c and 32c tires, lots of fun, if sketchy at times.</p>
<p>I know the usual signs of a good touring bike are a longer wheel base, lower bottom bracket, a fork/geometry that&#8217;s gives a neutral to slow handing, tubes meant to be flexy but not noodly at weight and braze ons all over the place.  That&#8217;d be cool to see for 700c wheels with lots of clearance.  I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;ll happen in big way, but I&#8217;m sure there will be a niche market for it.</p>
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