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	<title>Comments on: Tuning The Ride: 29&#8243;ers and Steering Performance Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/01/06/tuning-the-ride-29ers-and-steering-performance-part-ii/#comment-32298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT: well put.   Bringing this back into line, the fact that I have many tires to choose from to help change the performance of my bike makes me very happy.  I would agree with you, thanks definitely go to those you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT: well put.   Bringing this back into line, the fact that I have many tires to choose from to help change the performance of my bike makes me very happy.  I would agree with you, thanks definitely go to those you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/01/06/tuning-the-ride-29ers-and-steering-performance-part-ii/#comment-32297</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared: There was a thread on mtbr.com at one time that was an investigation into the history behind the Nanoraptors developement and the first 29"ers. A fellow that posted by the name of "Bigwheel", a Crested Butte resident and a very knowledgeable and influential 29"er pioneer himself had a bunch of gems posted on that thread until he butted heads with another poster and pulled all his info out of the thread. This fairly gutted the thread of any really good information and that was that. 

Well, some of us read it and some smarter than I downloaded all the info and pics before the stuff got pulled. Let's just say that the true information is a different tale than Mr.Cook's and I have it on good authority that the first "modern 29"er" built with "THE TIRE" actually came out of Wes Williams Willits Brand shop in Crested Butte. 

So, that's the first 29"er and everything afterwards is really just anecdotal. The meat of the story is that Mark Slate was convinced and designed the tire and had it authorized to be manufactured. Others took that first batch and did more convincing, and on down the line to today. Without that first tire, we're still riding 26"ers today. So, to all those who played a part, and especially to Mark Slate and WTB, I say THANK YOU! :) 

Whatever way you want to read the history, the facts are that it comes down to getting that first tire, and to me that is all that really matters today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared: There was a thread on mtbr.com at one time that was an investigation into the history behind the Nanoraptors developement and the first 29&#8243;ers. A fellow that posted by the name of &#8220;Bigwheel&#8221;, a Crested Butte resident and a very knowledgeable and influential 29&#8243;er pioneer himself had a bunch of gems posted on that thread until he butted heads with another poster and pulled all his info out of the thread. This fairly gutted the thread of any really good information and that was that. </p>
<p>Well, some of us read it and some smarter than I downloaded all the info and pics before the stuff got pulled. Let&#8217;s just say that the true information is a different tale than Mr.Cook&#8217;s and I have it on good authority that the first &#8220;modern 29&#8243;er&#8221; built with &#8220;THE TIRE&#8221; actually came out of Wes Williams Willits Brand shop in Crested Butte. </p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s the first 29&#8243;er and everything afterwards is really just anecdotal. The meat of the story is that Mark Slate was convinced and designed the tire and had it authorized to be manufactured. Others took that first batch and did more convincing, and on down the line to today. Without that first tire, we&#8217;re still riding 26&#8243;ers today. So, to all those who played a part, and especially to Mark Slate and WTB, I say THANK YOU! <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whatever way you want to read the history, the facts are that it comes down to getting that first tire, and to me that is all that really matters today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/01/06/tuning-the-ride-29ers-and-steering-performance-part-ii/#comment-32296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT: I think the story is quite well-written, but probably a bit biased to his experience.  I'd like to see some other points of view regarding the issue.  I see little compiled information elsewhere.  Just tidbits of this and that.  Any other good reads on the subject?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT: I think the story is quite well-written, but probably a bit biased to his experience.  I&#8217;d like to see some other points of view regarding the issue.  I see little compiled information elsewhere.  Just tidbits of this and that.  Any other good reads on the subject?</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2008/01/06/tuning-the-ride-29ers-and-steering-performance-part-ii/#comment-32294</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared,Marc: Take that Rag story with a HUGE grain-o-salt. The story teller is a bit over the top and the truth of it all is a bit different than he implies. That said, some bits are great in that story and it does show some of what had to go into getting THE TIRE into production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared,Marc: Take that Rag story with a HUGE grain-o-salt. The story teller is a bit over the top and the truth of it all is a bit different than he implies. That said, some bits are great in that story and it does show some of what had to go into getting THE TIRE into production.</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

Crested Butte is pretty tough to lump into one sort of riding.  You can bet you will climb a lot and if you are from the midwest, you might want to put that small ring back on your bike, you will be using it.  

Various rides there have different characteristics.  401 offers climbing to the top of Schofield pass at nearly 11000 feet just to get to the bottom of the trailhead.  After a few more miles of climbing the trail, you will ride down some very smooth and very exposed single track. 

Other rides there are very rough and rooty with a lot of seriously technical sections.  Your can test your skills on some of the short rides right outside of town.  You will find babyheads and exposed aspen roots in many spots and rhythm is sometimes hard to find.

The descent out of the epic Reno Flag Bear Deadman has thirty two switchbacks in less than three miles.  It is rutted, steep in spots and shredded by dirt bikes.  I am able to navigate it on my Mamasita with a Reba, but I will get dropped by riders on 26ers who would not drop me on any other part of the trail.  The long wheel base on my 29er is a bit of a penalty, but everything can be ridden without a lot of drama.

The only real constant in CB is that the soil is great and there is a lot of traction.

Everything can be done on a hardtail, and most trails should be done on a hardtail.  Some trails make you wish you brought a double squishy.

The most important thing to do when in that part of Colorado is Monarch Crest Trail.  It is the most beautiful trail I have seen.  It starts near the top of Monarch Pass and goes ends near Salida, The high point is well above timberline at 13xxx feet.  You will ride a ton of different terrain.  I can not emphasize enough that if you are near it you have to ride it.  There is no place I would rather be and if somebody wants to drop my ashes there after I die, that would be fine with me.

Sorry to get so far off track for those of you that were looking to tune their ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>Crested Butte is pretty tough to lump into one sort of riding.  You can bet you will climb a lot and if you are from the midwest, you might want to put that small ring back on your bike, you will be using it.  </p>
<p>Various rides there have different characteristics.  401 offers climbing to the top of Schofield pass at nearly 11000 feet just to get to the bottom of the trailhead.  After a few more miles of climbing the trail, you will ride down some very smooth and very exposed single track. </p>
<p>Other rides there are very rough and rooty with a lot of seriously technical sections.  Your can test your skills on some of the short rides right outside of town.  You will find babyheads and exposed aspen roots in many spots and rhythm is sometimes hard to find.</p>
<p>The descent out of the epic Reno Flag Bear Deadman has thirty two switchbacks in less than three miles.  It is rutted, steep in spots and shredded by dirt bikes.  I am able to navigate it on my Mamasita with a Reba, but I will get dropped by riders on 26ers who would not drop me on any other part of the trail.  The long wheel base on my 29er is a bit of a penalty, but everything can be ridden without a lot of drama.</p>
<p>The only real constant in CB is that the soil is great and there is a lot of traction.</p>
<p>Everything can be done on a hardtail, and most trails should be done on a hardtail.  Some trails make you wish you brought a double squishy.</p>
<p>The most important thing to do when in that part of Colorado is Monarch Crest Trail.  It is the most beautiful trail I have seen.  It starts near the top of Monarch Pass and goes ends near Salida, The high point is well above timberline at 13xxx feet.  You will ride a ton of different terrain.  I can not emphasize enough that if you are near it you have to ride it.  There is no place I would rather be and if somebody wants to drop my ashes there after I die, that would be fine with me.</p>
<p>Sorry to get so far off track for those of you that were looking to tune their ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, having never ridden crested butte, I can't say, but regardless, that article was a great peek into the history of this much-loved wheel size.

Art: I think dynamic isn't a bad way to go.  It emphasizes "interaction" between components.  Good call.  

BunE: I was talking with my riding partner a month or so ago.  We'd LOVE to get out East and see what the terrain is out there.  Here in Utah, SS rigs don't go over to well (at least in the mountains) so we'd love to see about Wisconsin or some place more "hilly" where a single speed might work nicely.  I'd love to start expanding my stable with wire donkeys tuned for more specific riding types.  I'd love to try a ridig single speed with some funny handlebars on some smooth single track.

Mirroring GT's comments, I love that I have tuning options for big wheels now.  IMHO, the future looks bright for the 29er platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, having never ridden crested butte, I can&#8217;t say, but regardless, that article was a great peek into the history of this much-loved wheel size.</p>
<p>Art: I think dynamic isn&#8217;t a bad way to go.  It emphasizes &#8220;interaction&#8221; between components.  Good call.  </p>
<p>BunE: I was talking with my riding partner a month or so ago.  We&#8217;d LOVE to get out East and see what the terrain is out there.  Here in Utah, SS rigs don&#8217;t go over to well (at least in the mountains) so we&#8217;d love to see about Wisconsin or some place more &#8220;hilly&#8221; where a single speed might work nicely.  I&#8217;d love to start expanding my stable with wire donkeys tuned for more specific riding types.  I&#8217;d love to try a ridig single speed with some funny handlebars on some smooth single track.</p>
<p>Mirroring GT&#8217;s comments, I love that I have tuning options for big wheels now.  IMHO, the future looks bright for the 29er platform.</p>
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		<title>By: BunE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BunE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just a great forum and it makes me happy to hear/read/see peeps chiming in.  My 29er stable just got a little bigger thanks to Craig's list: A 2007 Monocog.  I am going to keep it fully rigid and single speed but plan to mess around a bit.  I have an XXIX that switches between SS and 1x8 and I mix up an MX Comp at times too (44mm offset?) This coupled with the 71 degree HA seems pretty good.  I might experiment based on any suggestions and have pretty much designated XXIX or Senor Rollie McGrippenstein (offend no one or everyone!) as my experimental platform.  Finally I bought a close out SuperCal last year (just before the G2 HIFI - UGH but a grand cheaper...) It is stock and I have been working up to racing old man style this year.

So "test and contemplate, cause its 2008" seems to be the mantra of twentynineinches this year.

Get Some</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a great forum and it makes me happy to hear/read/see peeps chiming in.  My 29er stable just got a little bigger thanks to Craig&#8217;s list: A 2007 Monocog.  I am going to keep it fully rigid and single speed but plan to mess around a bit.  I have an XXIX that switches between SS and 1&#215;8 and I mix up an MX Comp at times too (44mm offset?) This coupled with the 71 degree HA seems pretty good.  I might experiment based on any suggestions and have pretty much designated XXIX or Senor Rollie McGrippenstein (offend no one or everyone!) as my experimental platform.  Finally I bought a close out SuperCal last year (just before the G2 HIFI - UGH but a grand cheaper&#8230;) It is stock and I have been working up to racing old man style this year.</p>
<p>So &#8220;test and contemplate, cause its 2008&#8243; seems to be the mantra of twentynineinches this year.</p>
<p>Get Some</p>
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		<title>By: Desert9r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert9r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention that I do research, if it looks good on paper I try it, but as you say, you have to ride it, ponying up for research is one reason, just yesterday I ordered an Origin8 fork and not a more pricey one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that I do research, if it looks good on paper I try it, but as you say, you have to ride it, ponying up for research is one reason, just yesterday I ordered an Origin8 fork and not a more pricey one.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared:  I vote we switch geometry to dynamics.  Just to underscore the fact that all of this stuff only matters when the bike is moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared:  I vote we switch geometry to dynamics.  Just to underscore the fact that all of this stuff only matters when the bike is moving.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Cloxxki=Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, forgot to sign in there.</description>
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