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	<title>Comments on: Gary Fisher HiFi Deluxe 29&#8243;er: First Ride Impressions</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-40034</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growler: There were some incidents reported with swing arms that had dual "vent holes" in the swing arm assembly at the crossbar between the left and right sides. The updated swing arms have been better, but I have seen a rare failure of these as well. At any rate, the Fisher warranty should get you back up and running quite soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growler: There were some incidents reported with swing arms that had dual &#8220;vent holes&#8221; in the swing arm assembly at the crossbar between the left and right sides. The updated swing arms have been better, but I have seen a rare failure of these as well. At any rate, the Fisher warranty should get you back up and running quite soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Growler</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-40022</link>
		<dc:creator>Growler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the comments regarding the 29er. I have had a GF HiFi Pro 29er since March '08 and was loving it, until yesterday, when the left lower section of the swing arm snapped.  Has anyone else had similar experiences with their GF 29ers? PS, I'm 6'7" and 188 lbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the comments regarding the 29er. I have had a GF HiFi Pro 29er since March &#8216;08 and was loving it, until yesterday, when the left lower section of the swing arm snapped.  Has anyone else had similar experiences with their GF 29ers? PS, I&#8217;m 6&#8242;7&#8243; and 188 lbs.</p>
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		<title>By: bdog</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-38804</link>
		<dc:creator>bdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Horsetooth - 
i bought a 2007 supercaliber when it went on sale in september 2007 because the Hi Fi was coming out. my 26er collected dust for along time, until recently, when i put slicks and some flashy LEDS for and aft and use it to commute to the train and back. I use my old 26er, because really, i don't care if someone steals it. havn't stopped riding 29er.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Horsetooth -<br />
i bought a 2007 supercaliber when it went on sale in september 2007 because the Hi Fi was coming out. my 26er collected dust for along time, until recently, when i put slicks and some flashy LEDS for and aft and use it to commute to the train and back. I use my old 26er, because really, i don&#8217;t care if someone steals it. havn&#8217;t stopped riding 29er.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLightGo</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-38489</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLightGo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex W - go ahead and make the switch to Times - it'll help make believers out of them.

I did the Attack on Swayback this weekend and there was a good number of racers on the Hi-Fi.  I don't know that any were expert class but there sure were a few in the Sport class.  In fact, 29ers made quite a good showing at the race.  I'd say a good 1/4th of the field in Sport overall was on 29ers and the SS ratio was even higher.  What blew me away was the Hi-Fi Deluxe singlespeed (using what looked like a Paul chain tensioner).

I did not test ride one prior to purchasing my Sultan (and don't regret the Sultan one bit) but I think Fisher executed this bike pretty well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex W - go ahead and make the switch to Times - it&#8217;ll help make believers out of them.</p>
<p>I did the Attack on Swayback this weekend and there was a good number of racers on the Hi-Fi.  I don&#8217;t know that any were expert class but there sure were a few in the Sport class.  In fact, 29ers made quite a good showing at the race.  I&#8217;d say a good 1/4th of the field in Sport overall was on 29ers and the SS ratio was even higher.  What blew me away was the Hi-Fi Deluxe singlespeed (using what looked like a Paul chain tensioner).</p>
<p>I did not test ride one prior to purchasing my Sultan (and don&#8217;t regret the Sultan one bit) but I think Fisher executed this bike pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-38473</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: I'd have to just say "ditto" to the above comment by Alex. Pretty much nails it.

My only addition would be that if you see yourself mountain biking twenty years from now, the FS will see to it that you have a chance to get there and enjoy it. A hardtail? Not so much. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I&#8217;d have to just say &#8220;ditto&#8221; to the above comment by Alex. Pretty much nails it.</p>
<p>My only addition would be that if you see yourself mountain biking twenty years from now, the FS will see to it that you have a chance to get there and enjoy it. A hardtail? Not so much. <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Alex W</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-38466</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark!  Keep in mind that your lbs guys may all be into a particular kind of riding that's not what you're looking to do:  are they in it for endurance, or are they racing short-track on the weekends?  

In my limited experience (four years riding mtn bikes), the full squish is helpful for a number of reasons.  For me, the first and foremost reason to have full suspension is that my back tire rarely bounces over anything on a climb which leads to continual forward momentum.  Probably because I started so late in the game mtn biking, I never learned how to finesse the rocks and roots and other stuff that comes up in front of me.  When climbing on a hardtail, this frequently led to my rear end bouncing up over stuff which left nothing on the ground propelling me forward; hence I'd lose forward momentum, land on a wheel that was spinning too fast, spin out and be done with that climb.  So, long story longer, full sus was a way to cheat my way out of that.  29er full sus was cheating even more and there's not much I can't get up and over now.  Am I a better rider?  Probably not...but my buddies think I am.  And I'm having more fun than ever.  Still, I'm aware that I'm cheating (but don't care)
:)
I'm 35 right now, and most of my riding partners are in the 40-50 age range;  all but one ride full-sus for its forgiving qualities. The weight penalties for them and for me, are worth it in order to avoid all the jolts your body has to take otherwise.  On a 6-hour ride over New England roots and rocks, it makes a difference in whose got fresher legs (and butt, and back) at the end of the day. On the other hand, on a one-hour rip through the woods, our HT guy will leave many of us in the dust.

Finally, I'd really have to say that any and all of this decision comes down to a personal preference.  No bike is good for everything for everyone.  The 29'er hardtail will feel more squishy than a 26" hardtail, no doubt about it.  And dual suspension will feel even squishier.  See if you can demo an X-Cal and a HiFi from your lbs.  Ask them if they'll apply the demo cost (or half, or part...) towards the purchase of a bike.  Even if they won't, a $50 rental for the weekend is worth it when you consider you might otherwise come home with a $2,500 bike you're not totally happy with.  

For what it's worth, the HiFi is the first bike I brought home and had no sense of buyers remorse.  I've been happy with the money I spent, and I'm really confident that this will be my bike for a long, long time.  Now I've just got to get my pals to stop pestering me to switch pedals: they ride Time and I'm on SPDs and they want to give the HiFi a shot, but can't.  They sit there and drool with envy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark!  Keep in mind that your lbs guys may all be into a particular kind of riding that&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re looking to do:  are they in it for endurance, or are they racing short-track on the weekends?  </p>
<p>In my limited experience (four years riding mtn bikes), the full squish is helpful for a number of reasons.  For me, the first and foremost reason to have full suspension is that my back tire rarely bounces over anything on a climb which leads to continual forward momentum.  Probably because I started so late in the game mtn biking, I never learned how to finesse the rocks and roots and other stuff that comes up in front of me.  When climbing on a hardtail, this frequently led to my rear end bouncing up over stuff which left nothing on the ground propelling me forward; hence I&#8217;d lose forward momentum, land on a wheel that was spinning too fast, spin out and be done with that climb.  So, long story longer, full sus was a way to cheat my way out of that.  29er full sus was cheating even more and there&#8217;s not much I can&#8217;t get up and over now.  Am I a better rider?  Probably not&#8230;but my buddies think I am.  And I&#8217;m having more fun than ever.  Still, I&#8217;m aware that I&#8217;m cheating (but don&#8217;t care)<br />
 <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;m 35 right now, and most of my riding partners are in the 40-50 age range;  all but one ride full-sus for its forgiving qualities. The weight penalties for them and for me, are worth it in order to avoid all the jolts your body has to take otherwise.  On a 6-hour ride over New England roots and rocks, it makes a difference in whose got fresher legs (and butt, and back) at the end of the day. On the other hand, on a one-hour rip through the woods, our HT guy will leave many of us in the dust.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;d really have to say that any and all of this decision comes down to a personal preference.  No bike is good for everything for everyone.  The 29&#8242;er hardtail will feel more squishy than a 26&#8243; hardtail, no doubt about it.  And dual suspension will feel even squishier.  See if you can demo an X-Cal and a HiFi from your lbs.  Ask them if they&#8217;ll apply the demo cost (or half, or part&#8230;) towards the purchase of a bike.  Even if they won&#8217;t, a $50 rental for the weekend is worth it when you consider you might otherwise come home with a $2,500 bike you&#8217;re not totally happy with.  </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the HiFi is the first bike I brought home and had no sense of buyers remorse.  I&#8217;ve been happy with the money I spent, and I&#8217;m really confident that this will be my bike for a long, long time.  Now I&#8217;ve just got to get my pals to stop pestering me to switch pedals: they ride Time and I&#8217;m on SPDs and they want to give the HiFi a shot, but can&#8217;t.  They sit there and drool with envy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT and Alex ... thanks for your replies. I wonder also about the debate about full suspension versus hardtail ... seems like the lbs guys recommend hardtail for 29ers because of the extra cushion ... but as a 40 plus guy who likes endurance, I am leaning toward full susp. Any thoughts? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT and Alex &#8230; thanks for your replies. I wonder also about the debate about full suspension versus hardtail &#8230; seems like the lbs guys recommend hardtail for 29ers because of the extra cushion &#8230; but as a 40 plus guy who likes endurance, I am leaning toward full susp. Any thoughts? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex W</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/12/02/gary-fisher-hifi-deluxe-29er-first-ride-impressions/#comment-38365</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely test ride if possible.  I have found no deliterious effects on smooth climbs.  If there was a weight penalty (I'm not a weight weenie, I haven't weighed either bike) moving from my 26" Epic to the HiFi, I haven't noticed it.  In fact, on the steep stuff the larger contact patch more than makes up for any weight penalties there might be:  climbs I used to spin out on I now grab onto and head up.  While I'm sure there's some there, I don't feel any pedal bob and it definitely hasn't affected my climbs negatively.   My Epic still "feels" like a faster bike, but the GF is getting me over and up so much stuff that it's way more fun for everyday riding.  I've got three 26" bikes that haven't seen the light of day since the HiFi entered my stable.  

cheers,
Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely test ride if possible.  I have found no deliterious effects on smooth climbs.  If there was a weight penalty (I&#8217;m not a weight weenie, I haven&#8217;t weighed either bike) moving from my 26&#8243; Epic to the HiFi, I haven&#8217;t noticed it.  In fact, on the steep stuff the larger contact patch more than makes up for any weight penalties there might be:  climbs I used to spin out on I now grab onto and head up.  While I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s some there, I don&#8217;t feel any pedal bob and it definitely hasn&#8217;t affected my climbs negatively.   My Epic still &#8220;feels&#8221; like a faster bike, but the GF is getting me over and up so much stuff that it&#8217;s way more fun for everyday riding.  I&#8217;ve got three 26&#8243; bikes that haven&#8217;t seen the light of day since the HiFi entered my stable.  </p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: It really depends what you are expecting, but I think you would be fine. The HiFi isn't a "plush" trail suspension, but rather more towards the racy, stiff side and you could most likely do a set up with the Fox that would be just up your alley. 

I'd recommend a test ride, if you could, to verify this. I think you might be just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: It really depends what you are expecting, but I think you would be fine. The HiFi isn&#8217;t a &#8220;plush&#8221; trail suspension, but rather more towards the racy, stiff side and you could most likely do a set up with the Fox that would be just up your alley. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend a test ride, if you could, to verify this. I think you might be just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this thread as I am considering a HiFi 29er Deluxe. Very savvy comments ... But I am wondering about climbing on smoother trails. I heard a lot about climbing over technical stuff, but several of my favorite climbs here in Maine are up smooth trails through blueberry fields. 

Does the HiFi 29er climb as well there as a 26er, or is this where you make a sacrifice for all of the other advantages of a 29er?

Thanks,

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this thread as I am considering a HiFi 29er Deluxe. Very savvy comments &#8230; But I am wondering about climbing on smoother trails. I heard a lot about climbing over technical stuff, but several of my favorite climbs here in Maine are up smooth trails through blueberry fields. </p>
<p>Does the HiFi 29er climb as well there as a 26er, or is this where you make a sacrifice for all of the other advantages of a 29er?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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