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		<title>By: Professed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>desert9r &#38; Cloxxki - thanks for the tips.

She loves the 'dales, so has been riding with flipped stems due to the tall headshock for years. 

I would like to see a little frame in the flesh to get a feel for it but am concerned that a 'too high' bottom bracket to ensure an appropriate seatube - headtube proportional length, might spell and end to the handling advantages one gets. A concern that is likely to be dispelled over time I am sure.

Also keep in mind that mind chain length control/management and longer chainstays are diametrically opposed :- 

Not all want to ride hardtails so rear suspension machines will become more common - but a longer travel machine whose chainstays are are so long that you need a scrotum bag to gather the loose chain in when on the smaller cogs, might not be successful so get over that problem and there might be a good chance of 29er world mtb domination ! 

Nevertheless - in a country that is quicker than Europe -  but (obviously) slower than the US;  on the uptake (ie: Oz) -  the acceptance is increasing and the interest soaring, especially when masters class ageing farts (aka myself) are floating up the finish lists at the races on their rigidly supported single speeds with big wheels ! 

A seat on the throne for 29ers could be a real possibility !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>desert9r &amp; Cloxxki - thanks for the tips.</p>
<p>She loves the &#8216;dales, so has been riding with flipped stems due to the tall headshock for years. </p>
<p>I would like to see a little frame in the flesh to get a feel for it but am concerned that a &#8216;too high&#8217; bottom bracket to ensure an appropriate seatube - headtube proportional length, might spell and end to the handling advantages one gets. A concern that is likely to be dispelled over time I am sure.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that mind chain length control/management and longer chainstays are diametrically opposed :- </p>
<p>Not all want to ride hardtails so rear suspension machines will become more common - but a longer travel machine whose chainstays are are so long that you need a scrotum bag to gather the loose chain in when on the smaller cogs, might not be successful so get over that problem and there might be a good chance of 29er world mtb domination ! </p>
<p>Nevertheless - in a country that is quicker than Europe -  but (obviously) slower than the US;  on the uptake (ie: Oz) -  the acceptance is increasing and the interest soaring, especially when masters class ageing farts (aka myself) are floating up the finish lists at the races on their rigidly supported single speeds with big wheels ! </p>
<p>A seat on the throne for 29ers could be a real possibility !</p>
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		<title>By: Cloxxki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloxxki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professed : the key for short riders and tall head tubes : no-rise handlebars. Or flip them over. Tons of options out there, swept ones even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professed : the key for short riders and tall head tubes : no-rise handlebars. Or flip them over. Tons of options out there, swept ones even.</p>
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		<title>By: GF</title>
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		<dc:creator>GF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I'm with Chris Sugai and everyone else that has agreed with him. I'm over 6" and the 29er is perfect, however, my wife won't ride it because it's too big and heavy. She actually rides a 24" bike.
The main point is that in the future, serious mountain biking, will be dominated by 29ers, and there will also be a market for low cost 29ers for tall people. 26" bikes will still be around however, for people who can't ride 29ers. 
Bottom line, the 29er will be the king of mountain biking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m with Chris Sugai and everyone else that has agreed with him. I&#8217;m over 6&#8243; and the 29er is perfect, however, my wife won&#8217;t ride it because it&#8217;s too big and heavy. She actually rides a 24&#8243; bike.<br />
The main point is that in the future, serious mountain biking, will be dominated by 29ers, and there will also be a market for low cost 29ers for tall people. 26&#8243; bikes will still be around however, for people who can&#8217;t ride 29ers.<br />
Bottom line, the 29er will be the king of mountain biking.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert9r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert9r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professed-
Look at Willits or the new Rocky Moutain.

Ted-
	I'd be walking anyway, I don't have enoug muscle to pedal a 35 lb-er Up stair steps.  Besides some people get perma-grin from that kinda stuff I get perma-grin from unicycling my rigid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professed-<br />
Look at Willits or the new Rocky Moutain.</p>
<p>Ted-<br />
	I&#8217;d be walking anyway, I don&#8217;t have enoug muscle to pedal a 35 lb-er Up stair steps.  Besides some people get perma-grin from that kinda stuff I get perma-grin from unicycling my rigid!</p>
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		<title>By: Professed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fun post with a range of hillarious and entertaining comments!

The fact that most here write with conviction, a degree of intelect and lots of wit and humor makes it one of the best MTB Forums around

Bust what I need is HELP. 
How can I fit my 5'2" or so wife on a 29 with those sky high head tubes? 
She likes to climb, with gears, so a handlebar above the saddle height  just does not make sense.
As Bear Squirrel says - Smaller wheel sizes will remain to cater for smaller people - we are not all on chicken growth hormones or of  tall ancestry.
Please prove me wrong and I will be totally converted and remove all remaining evidence of 26" product from my shed....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fun post with a range of hillarious and entertaining comments!</p>
<p>The fact that most here write with conviction, a degree of intelect and lots of wit and humor makes it one of the best MTB Forums around</p>
<p>Bust what I need is HELP.<br />
How can I fit my 5&#8242;2&#8243; or so wife on a 29 with those sky high head tubes?<br />
She likes to climb, with gears, so a handlebar above the saddle height  just does not make sense.<br />
As Bear Squirrel says - Smaller wheel sizes will remain to cater for smaller people - we are not all on chicken growth hormones or of  tall ancestry.<br />
Please prove me wrong and I will be totally converted and remove all remaining evidence of 26&#8243; product from my shed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great!

 I can now smoke guys on puny 26ers since I have a bike that can haul my a** Singlespeed Rigid 29ers is the Max.... All those years riding something that never worked correct for me. I'm not selling any of the boatload of 26ers I have collected over the years hoping the "NEW BIKE" would be the one....I'm getting out the Saws all and cutting them into little pieces to go to the scrapper...it will be fun!

 Long live the Open class 500cc 2 stroke motorcycles...real machines for real men!...now go set the Valves on your 4 junk!

LCrigidss29ersometimes1x9rigid29ernever26eragainsawsalledthemall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great!</p>
<p> I can now smoke guys on puny 26ers since I have a bike that can haul my a** Singlespeed Rigid 29ers is the Max&#8230;. All those years riding something that never worked correct for me. I&#8217;m not selling any of the boatload of 26ers I have collected over the years hoping the &#8220;NEW BIKE&#8221; would be the one&#8230;.I&#8217;m getting out the Saws all and cutting them into little pieces to go to the scrapper&#8230;it will be fun!</p>
<p> Long live the Open class 500cc 2 stroke motorcycles&#8230;real machines for real men!&#8230;now go set the Valves on your 4 junk!</p>
<p>LCrigidss29ersometimes1&#215;9rigid29ernever26eragainsawsalledthemall</p>
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		<title>By: George Krpan</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Krpan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's good business practice for bike makers to continue on with 26ers.

Eventually the word will get out that 29ers are better and there will be a stampede for 29ers.
The bike makers will then be glad to sell you a 29er even though you have a perfectly good 26er.

It's like the auto makers.  You buy a gas guzzler and then the price of gas suddenly goes to $3.  They will then be glad to sell you a hybrid even though the gas guzzler is far from worn out.

Auto makers sell more cars this way.

Also, the bike makers sell more bike shit because of 26ers.
People buy new forks, tires, brakes, components because they're trying to make their sows ear into a silk purse.
They have no idea that there's something inherently wrong with their bikes.
29er riders are actually satisfied with their bikes.  I know I am.  A 6000SUX fork is not going revolutionize my ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s good business practice for bike makers to continue on with 26ers.</p>
<p>Eventually the word will get out that 29ers are better and there will be a stampede for 29ers.<br />
The bike makers will then be glad to sell you a 29er even though you have a perfectly good 26er.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the auto makers.  You buy a gas guzzler and then the price of gas suddenly goes to $3.  They will then be glad to sell you a hybrid even though the gas guzzler is far from worn out.</p>
<p>Auto makers sell more cars this way.</p>
<p>Also, the bike makers sell more bike shit because of 26ers.<br />
People buy new forks, tires, brakes, components because they&#8217;re trying to make their sows ear into a silk purse.<br />
They have no idea that there&#8217;s something inherently wrong with their bikes.<br />
29er riders are actually satisfied with their bikes.  I know I am.  A 6000SUX fork is not going revolutionize my ride.</p>
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		<title>By: BearSquirrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>BearSquirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it.  The pre-29er market included 24" Mountain Bikes to fit kids and extra small riders.  29ers won't fix this problem.  I still see the 24" mountain bikes for kids.

What I believe will happen is that you will see 29ers taking over the XC market for most "adult" sizes.  Lessons learned will allow frame designers to sneak 26" wheels into places that they were using 24" wheels before.

Other Disciplies:
Dirt Jumping/Freestyle - These will be 26" forever.  Optimally a smaller wheel would be stronger but no one will want to got there.  These guys play on smooth berms so a larger wheel really doesn't buy them anything.  A lot of these guys are already riding their BMX bikes in this realm.  I don't think you'll see these guys on larger wheels.

All Mountain - I think this is an area where both sizes will continue to co-exist.  If 650B would make any real inroads, I think this is the place.

Downhill - If an MTB company commits to retooling for the required parts (double crown 29er forks, larger head tubes, super strong rims and wider rear hub spacing) I think 29ers could very rapidly take over.  I think this exactly what Niner has in mind with their WFO.   True strength is VERY important for downhill riders.  But the longer contact patch and superior rollover characteristics would be a major advantage.  The naturally higher gear ratio also favors downhill. 

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Just accomplishing a 29er takeover in the XC market will be challenging.  Manufacturers are selling 29ers as high end hardtails.  They're not speccing them with the cheap junk that will get them down to the $300-$400 pricepoints where the bulk of sales likely are.  Until they do, 29ers will be the toys for advanced cyclists and those who are willing to invest $600+ on their first mountain bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it.  The pre-29er market included 24&#8243; Mountain Bikes to fit kids and extra small riders.  29ers won&#8217;t fix this problem.  I still see the 24&#8243; mountain bikes for kids.</p>
<p>What I believe will happen is that you will see 29ers taking over the XC market for most &#8220;adult&#8221; sizes.  Lessons learned will allow frame designers to sneak 26&#8243; wheels into places that they were using 24&#8243; wheels before.</p>
<p>Other Disciplies:<br />
Dirt Jumping/Freestyle - These will be 26&#8243; forever.  Optimally a smaller wheel would be stronger but no one will want to got there.  These guys play on smooth berms so a larger wheel really doesn&#8217;t buy them anything.  A lot of these guys are already riding their BMX bikes in this realm.  I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll see these guys on larger wheels.</p>
<p>All Mountain - I think this is an area where both sizes will continue to co-exist.  If 650B would make any real inroads, I think this is the place.</p>
<p>Downhill - If an MTB company commits to retooling for the required parts (double crown 29er forks, larger head tubes, super strong rims and wider rear hub spacing) I think 29ers could very rapidly take over.  I think this exactly what Niner has in mind with their WFO.   True strength is VERY important for downhill riders.  But the longer contact patch and superior rollover characteristics would be a major advantage.  The naturally higher gear ratio also favors downhill. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Just accomplishing a 29er takeover in the XC market will be challenging.  Manufacturers are selling 29ers as high end hardtails.  They&#8217;re not speccing them with the cheap junk that will get them down to the $300-$400 pricepoints where the bulk of sales likely are.  Until they do, 29ers will be the toys for advanced cyclists and those who are willing to invest $600+ on their first mountain bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Bidwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bidwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mtbr will have to make a new forum section -  "Vintage 26" for all of the faithful soon to be a minority.  But you said it best-  We will ride what we can ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mtbr will have to make a new forum section -  &#8220;Vintage 26&#8243; for all of the faithful soon to be a minority.  But you said it best-  We will ride what we can ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike people are great at bringing the funny:
The 26er is dead because 15% (or some other percentage that is way south of 50) of us have switched to a different wheel size and a guy who makes 29ers says so.
69ers are stupid because they won't be 29er enough and will handle like 26ers.
69ers will rule the world because they are the best of both worlds.
650 is going to take off because a manufacturer built a demo and there is a tire for it.
650 will replace 29ers and 26ers because they ride just like 69ers without carrying two tubes
Friction shifting rules
Index shifting rules
I will never replace my over the bar shifters with those stupid triggers
Suspension is stupid
Wait no, suspension rules
Oh, wait I was wrong, suspension is after all stupid
Gears are stupid too
Carbon is stupid
Steel is real
Ti is real
No ti is stupid
Ti is only stupid if is not mixed with carbon and 650b wheels with a spoke count higher than 20 and lower than thirty six and not radial laced unless it has V brakes which were stupid until they became cool on bikes with no more or less than 4" of travel depending on whether or not the wheel diameter on the front is effected by the tubeless tire and does not feature an integrated headset.
My cousin saw a 658 and it was way better than the 650
26ers rule
29ers are a fad
your mom rides a 26er
only if she lives in a trailer park
UNCLE ALREADY
Bikes are cool wheel sizes are cool.
I like mine bigger and I am really glad enough of you people agree so we can have product choices at reasonable prices. (By the way, thanks)
Outside of that, what wheel size other people choose is not my problem
It's not yours either
Go ride your bikes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike people are great at bringing the funny:<br />
The 26er is dead because 15% (or some other percentage that is way south of 50) of us have switched to a different wheel size and a guy who makes 29ers says so.<br />
69ers are stupid because they won&#8217;t be 29er enough and will handle like 26ers.<br />
69ers will rule the world because they are the best of both worlds.<br />
650 is going to take off because a manufacturer built a demo and there is a tire for it.<br />
650 will replace 29ers and 26ers because they ride just like 69ers without carrying two tubes<br />
Friction shifting rules<br />
Index shifting rules<br />
I will never replace my over the bar shifters with those stupid triggers<br />
Suspension is stupid<br />
Wait no, suspension rules<br />
Oh, wait I was wrong, suspension is after all stupid<br />
Gears are stupid too<br />
Carbon is stupid<br />
Steel is real<br />
Ti is real<br />
No ti is stupid<br />
Ti is only stupid if is not mixed with carbon and 650b wheels with a spoke count higher than 20 and lower than thirty six and not radial laced unless it has V brakes which were stupid until they became cool on bikes with no more or less than 4&#8243; of travel depending on whether or not the wheel diameter on the front is effected by the tubeless tire and does not feature an integrated headset.<br />
My cousin saw a 658 and it was way better than the 650<br />
26ers rule<br />
29ers are a fad<br />
your mom rides a 26er<br />
only if she lives in a trailer park<br />
UNCLE ALREADY<br />
Bikes are cool wheel sizes are cool.<br />
I like mine bigger and I am really glad enough of you people agree so we can have product choices at reasonable prices. (By the way, thanks)<br />
Outside of that, what wheel size other people choose is not my problem<br />
It&#8217;s not yours either<br />
Go ride your bikes</p>
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