Comments on: Trek World ‘08 Part 1:In Photos http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/ 29er Bike Reviews, Rumors and News Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:31:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: ham sandwich http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21618 ham sandwich Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:54:41 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21618 Has anyone heard how much the Superfly weighs ? Has anyone heard how much the Superfly weighs ?

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21315 Guitar Ted Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:06:41 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21315 Anonymous: Actually, that "vanilla Cobia" is the X-Cal, (Actual color name is Ceramic White) and the Paragon, X-Cal, Cobia, and Rig all share the same basic frame, with the excepted EBB on the Rig. Anonymous: Actually, that “vanilla Cobia” is the X-Cal, (Actual color name is Ceramic White) and the Paragon, X-Cal, Cobia, and Rig all share the same basic frame, with the excepted EBB on the Rig.

]]> By: Anonymous http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21314 Anonymous Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:52:53 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21314 The photos of the Vanilla Cobia and the Vanilla Rig look like the same frame (sans EBB and guides). The photos of the Vanilla Cobia and the Vanilla Rig look like the same frame (sans EBB and guides).

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21249 Guitar Ted Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:18:44 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21249 MariachiBandit: While the Salsa Mariachi indeed does sterr rather well, it's still not as quick as Salsa's own Mamasita, nor as quick as the new G2 bikes, in my opinion. The Ferrous, while having a steeper head angle also runs a 38mm offset, so some minute handling issues arise from that which G2 doesn't suffer from. MariachiBandit: While the Salsa Mariachi indeed does sterr rather well, it’s still not as quick as Salsa’s own Mamasita, nor as quick as the new G2 bikes, in my opinion.

The Ferrous, while having a steeper head angle also runs a 38mm offset, so some minute handling issues arise from that which G2 doesn’t suffer from.

]]> By: MariachiBandit http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21245 MariachiBandit Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:53:36 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21245 I have to agree with Oderus. I have ridden the old and new 29ers and they still seem sluggish compared to my Salsa Mariachi (steel is real baby!). Of note: The Ferrous 29er has the steeper angle that the other models don't! I have to agree with Oderus. I have ridden the old and new 29ers and they still seem sluggish compared to my Salsa Mariachi (steel is real baby!). Of note: The Ferrous 29er has the steeper angle that the other models don’t!

]]> By: Cloxxki http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21210 Cloxxki Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:05:16 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21210 I still would like to know the figures calculated with, because of rigid forks, etc. I still would like to know the figures calculated with, because of rigid forks, etc.

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21178 Guitar Ted Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:12:52 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21178 Glenn: I figure the change was made to accomodate the hydroforming of the frame tubing on the redesigned frames. ZR 9000 is more brittle and probably not suited to that technique. Fisherguy: Thanks for chiming in. Your input is appreciated. :) Cloxxki: The forks were different, (Reba vs Fox) so maybe axle to crown isn't as critical in a critique of the '08 line in comparison to the '07 line. Different parameters all the way around, wouldn't you agree? Glenn: I figure the change was made to accomodate the hydroforming of the frame tubing on the redesigned frames. ZR 9000 is more brittle and probably not suited to that technique.

Fisherguy: Thanks for chiming in. Your input is appreciated. :)

Cloxxki: The forks were different, (Reba vs Fox) so maybe axle to crown isn’t as critical in a critique of the ‘08 line in comparison to the ‘07 line. Different parameters all the way around, wouldn’t you agree?

]]> By: Cloxxki http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21161 Cloxxki Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:28:48 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21161 Fisherguy, what axle-crown do you suppose for "sagged" now? And what was the a-c supposed for the 2007 bikes? Fisherguy, what axle-crown do you suppose for “sagged” now? And what was the a-c supposed for the 2007 bikes?

]]> By: Fisherguy http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21159 Fisherguy Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:38 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21159 Gang- Here's the word. Sagged head angle = 70 degrees for large and XL and 69.7 for Sm and Md. The wheelbase is slightly longer than the old bike, but even smaller than what's on paper since historically we showed sag at 25% of fork stroke and now we measure sag at 10% of stroke which has proven out to be where most (not all) people ride their forks. 2008 G2 Medium Hardtail wheelbase at sag (10%) = 1107mm 2007 Genesis Medium 29 Hardtail wheelbase at sag (25%) = 1101mm This hopefully shows that G2 is more than just a headangle and fork geometry... The goal was to control for all of these variables which have historically been compromised. Now, we can maintain wheelbase and define where we want the rider on the bike as well as their reach and the steering geometry. One other note. Although the showbike of the Rig didn't have routing for the gears... Production bikes will. It was an early "for show" sample only that we had on display. Peace Fisherguy Gang-

Here’s the word.

Sagged head angle = 70 degrees for large and XL and 69.7 for Sm and Md.

The wheelbase is slightly longer than the old bike, but even smaller than what’s on paper since historically we showed sag at 25% of fork stroke and now we measure sag at 10% of stroke which has proven out to be where most (not all) people ride their forks.
2008 G2 Medium Hardtail wheelbase at sag (10%) = 1107mm
2007 Genesis Medium 29 Hardtail wheelbase at sag (25%) = 1101mm

This hopefully shows that G2 is more than just a headangle and fork geometry… The goal was to control for all of these variables which have historically been compromised. Now, we can maintain wheelbase and define where we want the rider on the bike as well as their reach and the steering geometry.

One other note. Although the showbike of the Rig didn’t have routing for the gears… Production bikes will. It was an early “for show” sample only that we had on display.

Peace
Fisherguy

]]> By: Glenn http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21158 Glenn Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:06:52 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/08/19/trek-world-08-in-photos/#comment-21158 Any comments on why they switched from the ZR9000 (7001 aluminum) to a 6066 aluminum? What effects would this have on the ride? Any comments on why they switched from the ZR9000 (7001 aluminum) to a 6066 aluminum? What effects would this have on the ride?

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