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	<title>Comments on: 2008 Fisher Paragon and G2 Geometry: Update</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cloxxki</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17974</link>
		<dc:creator>Cloxxki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These Fox forks will of course out-weigh the Superfly frame by quite a bit.

IMO the only worthy fork (quality and weight-wise) is the German Answer linkage fork. However, its geometry may work out less than perfect, as it's an 80mm unit with the heigh of a 100mm telescopic fork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These Fox forks will of course out-weigh the Superfly frame by quite a bit.</p>
<p>IMO the only worthy fork (quality and weight-wise) is the German Answer linkage fork. However, its geometry may work out less than perfect, as it&#8217;s an 80mm unit with the heigh of a 100mm telescopic fork.</p>
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		<title>By: carno</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17971</link>
		<dc:creator>carno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from July 5th GT post:

"The news I have now states that Fox forks will be found on the following Fisher 29â€³ers for â€˜08: The Hi Fi Pro and Deluxe full suspension models, the Rig, the Paragon, the X-Cal, and the Superfly hardtails. The crown on these Fox forks is the identical crown to the G2 26â€³er models with the rest of the offset for the 29â€³ers found in the sliders. So, itâ€™s a â€œcustomâ€? set up just for Fisher bikes."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from July 5th GT post:</p>
<p>&#8220;The news I have now states that Fox forks will be found on the following Fisher 29â€³ers for â€˜08: The Hi Fi Pro and Deluxe full suspension models, the Rig, the Paragon, the X-Cal, and the Superfly hardtails. The crown on these Fox forks is the identical crown to the G2 26â€³er models with the rest of the offset for the 29â€³ers found in the sliders. So, itâ€™s a â€œcustomâ€? set up just for Fisher bikes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gagne</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17969</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Gagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

What about that all carbon Fisher "Superfly" I saw on cyclingnews.  What fork is in store for this light weight racer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>What about that all carbon Fisher &#8220;Superfly&#8221; I saw on cyclingnews.  What fork is in store for this light weight racer?</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Nine Inches &#124; A 29er Bike site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Fisher &#8216;08 Info and a Clarification!</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17847</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Nine Inches &#124; A 29er Bike site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Fisher &#8216;08 Info and a Clarification!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hey everybody! I was made aware that some of the previously posted info from the Paragon and G2 Geometry post was erroneous. Here&#8217;s the actual dealio: The big thing is that the Hi Fi Pro does not have 120mm travel with the F100RLC fork. It&#8217;s as the model number suggests, a 100mm travel fork. I got some bad info and I appologize for any misunderstandings. It&#8217;s 100mm travel with the F100 fork on the Hi Fi Pro. Okay, now that we have that straightened out&#8230;&#8230;.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hey everybody! I was made aware that some of the previously posted info from the Paragon and G2 Geometry post was erroneous. Here&#8217;s the actual dealio: The big thing is that the Hi Fi Pro does not have 120mm travel with the F100RLC fork. It&#8217;s as the model number suggests, a 100mm travel fork. I got some bad info and I appologize for any misunderstandings. It&#8217;s 100mm travel with the F100 fork on the Hi Fi Pro. Okay, now that we have that straightened out&#8230;&#8230;.. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17846</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys: See the newest post on the site here about more info on the Fisher stuff and a correction on the F100's travel......you're right! It's 100mm! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys: See the newest post on the site here about more info on the Fisher stuff and a correction on the F100&#8217;s travel&#8230;&#8230;you&#8217;re right! It&#8217;s 100mm! <img src='http://twentynineinches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: carno</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17845</link>
		<dc:creator>carno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was posted to the "Gary Fisher HiFi 29" mtbr forum on 5/17/2007...

"Regarding the 5" vs. 4" thing - When we were developing this [HiFi 29er] platform, the 4" platform was preferred hands down. The rider feedback on the 4" bike was that it was the closest thing to the feeling of the 5" travel 26" platform. We try to develop bikes with the user in mind and not the travel. We understand the desire to see a number on paper, but in this case, we feel we have the best 29er trail bike we have ever ridden! As with anything, I would hope that you guys spend some time on the bikes and make your own trail-informed evaluation.  ...

Cheers
garyfisherguy"

100 mm = 3.93701 inches

I was hoping for 5 inches also...but this won't stop me from buying one...and the garyfisherguy (who surveyed persons who rode both) says 4 inches is actually better...who am I to argue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was posted to the &#8220;Gary Fisher HiFi 29&#8243; mtbr forum on 5/17/2007&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Regarding the 5&#8243; vs. 4&#8243; thing - When we were developing this [HiFi 29er] platform, the 4&#8243; platform was preferred hands down. The rider feedback on the 4&#8243; bike was that it was the closest thing to the feeling of the 5&#8243; travel 26&#8243; platform. We try to develop bikes with the user in mind and not the travel. We understand the desire to see a number on paper, but in this case, we feel we have the best 29er trail bike we have ever ridden! As with anything, I would hope that you guys spend some time on the bikes and make your own trail-informed evaluation.  &#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
garyfisherguy&#8221;</p>
<p>100 mm = 3.93701 inches</p>
<p>I was hoping for 5 inches also&#8230;but this won&#8217;t stop me from buying one&#8230;and the garyfisherguy (who surveyed persons who rode both) says 4 inches is actually better&#8230;who am I to argue?</p>
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		<title>By: bjdbike</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17840</link>
		<dc:creator>bjdbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT, 
Love the site and am so grateful for the info you post; it's always nice to talk sh*t to your store reps (most of the time mine doesn't even know about the stuff you post!!)  I'll just have to wait to see the actual release of it to decide on my opinion.  You may have seen it already but Cyclingnews.com has the specs on the 08 Stump FSR 29er and pics, looks sweet.  Feel free to post any info you get PLEASE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT,<br />
Love the site and am so grateful for the info you post; it&#8217;s always nice to talk sh*t to your store reps (most of the time mine doesn&#8217;t even know about the stuff you post!!)  I&#8217;ll just have to wait to see the actual release of it to decide on my opinion.  You may have seen it already but Cyclingnews.com has the specs on the 08 Stump FSR 29er and pics, looks sweet.  Feel free to post any info you get PLEASE!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: snowdenn</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17836</link>
		<dc:creator>snowdenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, im excited about the upcoming hifi 29er offerings--maybe cause im not a trek dealer...

but i was wondering if somehow guitar ted, you were given misinformation?

for some reason i assumed that the hifi 29er was only going to have one model.  now its three?  as bjdbike pointed out for the 26ers: the plus was lower end, then the deluxe, and the pro was the high end version.  now its reversed for 29ers?  something doesnt sound right.

the current hifi pro is specd with mixed lx, xt, and xtr drivetrain and juicy 7s.  what's more, early glimpses last year of the 26er hifi was always the pro model--their highest end, which would make me think that the pro we have been seeing would be their highend again.

up until now i kept hearing that the hifi 29er was going to have 100mm.  which would make sense with the observation that if f80 = 80mm, then f100 should = 100mm.

like i said, i wonder if you got some mistaken info, guitar ted.  still, having three models to choose from and 120mm sounds good to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, im excited about the upcoming hifi 29er offerings&#8211;maybe cause im not a trek dealer&#8230;</p>
<p>but i was wondering if somehow guitar ted, you were given misinformation?</p>
<p>for some reason i assumed that the hifi 29er was only going to have one model.  now its three?  as bjdbike pointed out for the 26ers: the plus was lower end, then the deluxe, and the pro was the high end version.  now its reversed for 29ers?  something doesnt sound right.</p>
<p>the current hifi pro is specd with mixed lx, xt, and xtr drivetrain and juicy 7s.  what&#8217;s more, early glimpses last year of the 26er hifi was always the pro model&#8211;their highest end, which would make me think that the pro we have been seeing would be their highend again.</p>
<p>up until now i kept hearing that the hifi 29er was going to have 100mm.  which would make sense with the observation that if f80 = 80mm, then f100 should = 100mm.</p>
<p>like i said, i wonder if you got some mistaken info, guitar ted.  still, having three models to choose from and 120mm sounds good to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17825</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is definite merit to some of the comments of the haters in these posts.  The constant changes are frustrating, but, without the risk taking and constant tweaking would we have a pretty nice lineup of big wheeled bikes?  

The same mentality that leads to the stupid Cake also brought us a lineup of hard tail and double squishy 29ers with a bunch of 69ers on the way.  Trek fisher is the only mass producing bike company that has pushed the 29er forward.  I for one have a hard time paying an extra 1-2k for a similarly equipped bike from a small builder, and would probably not be loving a 29er right now if it were not for Fisher.  It has taken years for other large manufacturers to get on board because they are the opposite of Trek/Fisher and take no risks ever.

So, while I understand the frustration, I wonder if retailers would have been better off and sold more product if Fisher/Trek had been conservative like Specialized and left you with a lineup of never changing Sugars and Fuels and no 29ers on the floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is definite merit to some of the comments of the haters in these posts.  The constant changes are frustrating, but, without the risk taking and constant tweaking would we have a pretty nice lineup of big wheeled bikes?  </p>
<p>The same mentality that leads to the stupid Cake also brought us a lineup of hard tail and double squishy 29ers with a bunch of 69ers on the way.  Trek fisher is the only mass producing bike company that has pushed the 29er forward.  I for one have a hard time paying an extra 1-2k for a similarly equipped bike from a small builder, and would probably not be loving a 29er right now if it were not for Fisher.  It has taken years for other large manufacturers to get on board because they are the opposite of Trek/Fisher and take no risks ever.</p>
<p>So, while I understand the frustration, I wonder if retailers would have been better off and sold more product if Fisher/Trek had been conservative like Specialized and left you with a lineup of never changing Sugars and Fuels and no 29ers on the floor.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/03/2008-fisher-paragon-and-g2-geometry-update/#comment-17792</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy 4th to all!
It's not that my views on Trek's product are unchangeable, it's just that they have yet to produce something that lived up to the hype (new Madone not included). It seems that they never really do their homework and rush something to market before they figure out it doesnt work. Or they botch the execution.
For all we know, G2 could be some marketing spin on how they are "innovative" because Fox won't change the offset on their crown (total conjecture to illustrate a point).
But I would love to be proved wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy 4th to all!<br />
It&#8217;s not that my views on Trek&#8217;s product are unchangeable, it&#8217;s just that they have yet to produce something that lived up to the hype (new Madone not included). It seems that they never really do their homework and rush something to market before they figure out it doesnt work. Or they botch the execution.<br />
For all we know, G2 could be some marketing spin on how they are &#8220;innovative&#8221; because Fox won&#8217;t change the offset on their crown (total conjecture to illustrate a point).<br />
But I would love to be proved wrong.</p>
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