Comments on: What Is The Deal With Those “69ers”? http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/ 29er Bike Reviews, Rumors and News Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:38:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Drumdumb1 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-29661 Drumdumb1 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:56:21 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-29661 was wondering if anyone ever did a 29er front 650b in the rear. any thoughts? I have a 29er and love it, and i also have a 69er and equally love it they both have different characteristics but i want to experament with the 650b in the rear. The 69er is a fetish fixation single speed does anyone have any ideas about fit here is the proposed build list Velocity blunt 650b rim pacenti 650b tire singlespeed hub maybe dmr not too expensive yet tough! At the moment im running 34 front 16 rear what would the 650b set up need to remail the same ratio. You guys rule i love the crooked cog network............ was wondering if anyone ever did a 29er front 650b in the rear.
any thoughts?
I have a 29er and love it, and i also have a 69er and equally love it they both have different characteristics but i want to experament with the 650b in the rear.
The 69er is a fetish fixation single speed does anyone have any ideas about fit here is the proposed build list
Velocity blunt 650b rim
pacenti 650b tire
singlespeed hub maybe dmr not too expensive yet tough!
At the moment im running 34 front 16 rear what would the 650b set up need to remail the same ratio.

You guys rule i love the crooked cog network…………

]]> By: tom schneller http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-20065 tom schneller Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:16:18 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-20065 I am taking my old steel moots which I have set up rigid and reconfiguring the front end with a 29. I will off set the rise with a lower stem. It may be a way for a lot of people with older 26ers to get new life out of their "junker" bike without spending a fortune. Is a 29er wheel harder to stop? I'll be putting a disc on front and old cantis will remain on the back 26er. I am hoping for some balance. Another thought... Most Motocross motorcycles have larger front wheels than back ones.... now I am no motorhead but offroad cycling has taken a lot of tech stuff from the sport. I'm thinking the big front wheel will get me over more obstacles. I am taking my old steel moots which I have set up rigid and reconfiguring the front end with a 29. I will off set the rise with a lower stem. It may be a way for a lot of people with older 26ers to get new life out of their “junker” bike without spending a fortune. Is a 29er wheel harder to stop? I’ll be putting a disc on front and old cantis will remain on the back 26er. I am hoping for some balance.
Another thought… Most Motocross motorcycles have larger front wheels than back ones…. now I am no motorhead but offroad cycling has taken a lot of tech stuff from the sport. I’m thinking the big front wheel will get me over more obstacles.

]]> By: TrekCzar http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-15696 TrekCzar Fri, 18 May 2007 18:29:37 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-15696 Well we're a few days off the original post, so this will probably get swept under the rug like all old posts. But it's worth noting for the record though... Travis Brown did some research and found out this from his contact at the UCI: "Hi Travis! Hope things are OK with you, it has been a long time since we met each, must be since the old race days.. but at least you're still riding on the MTB trails. Regarding your question: Art. 4.1.039 only mentions that the diameter of the wheels may not exceed 29 inches. So mixing different wheel sizes cannot be prohibited. Best regards. Peter Van den Abeele Coordinateur Sportif - Cyclo-Cross & Mountain Bike Sports Coordinator - Cyclo-Cross & Mountain Bike Union Cycliste Internationale CH - 1860 Aigle" So for all those who questioned... 69er is certainly a viable racing option. Well we’re a few days off the original post, so this will probably get swept under the rug like all old posts. But it’s worth noting for the record though… Travis Brown did some research and found out this from his contact at the UCI:

“Hi Travis!

Hope things are OK with you, it has been a long time since we met
each, must be since the old race days.. but at least you’re still
riding on the MTB trails.

Regarding your question: Art. 4.1.039 only mentions that the diameter
of the wheels may not exceed 29 inches. So mixing different wheel
sizes cannot be prohibited.

Best regards.

Peter Van den Abeele
Coordinateur Sportif - Cyclo-Cross & Mountain Bike
Sports Coordinator - Cyclo-Cross & Mountain Bike
Union Cycliste Internationale
CH - 1860 Aigle”

So for all those who questioned… 69er is certainly a viable racing option.

]]> By: anon http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-15038 anon Thu, 10 May 2007 17:25:10 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-15038 cloxxki, I am quite sure that in your vervor to prove that anybody not riding 29/29 is compromised regardless of application, that you have wrongly jumped to a conclusion that 96ers would be illegal in UCI competition. All the worse, it is based on a press release from nearly 8 years ago. The current posted rules (mountain and cycling over all) clearly do not forbid mixed wheel sizes in mountain biking as long as they are a smaller diameter than 29 inches. Jumping to clonclusions without sound basis seems to be a common them in your commentary i.e. 26 front 29 rear is a better mixed wheel application (without having tried it) and that 29 front 26 rear has no unique performance application, (without having tried it.) It is quite easy to talk a theory on bikes to the edge of the earth but nothing will encompass all of the variables the way thorough controlled field testing will. So why would you let your mouth dig a hole you don't know if you can get out of without actually doing the test yourself or allow enough of these mixed wheel bikes to get into the market place so that someone else can do it for you? cloxxki, I am quite sure that in your vervor to prove that anybody not riding 29/29 is compromised regardless of application, that you have wrongly jumped to a conclusion that 96ers would be illegal in UCI competition. All the worse, it is based on a press release from nearly 8 years ago. The current posted rules (mountain and cycling over all) clearly do not forbid mixed wheel sizes in mountain biking as long as they are a smaller diameter than 29 inches.

Jumping to clonclusions without sound basis seems to be a common them in your commentary i.e. 26 front 29 rear is a better mixed wheel application (without having tried it) and that 29 front 26 rear has no unique performance application, (without having tried it.)

It is quite easy to talk a theory on bikes to the edge of the earth but nothing will encompass all of the variables the way thorough controlled field testing will. So why would you let your mouth dig a hole you don’t know if you can get out of without actually doing the test yourself or allow enough of these mixed wheel bikes to get into the market place so that someone else can do it for you?

]]> By: Axeman http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14976 Axeman Tue, 08 May 2007 21:27:16 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14976 Ted Your right, two wheels is all you need be they equal or not. I ride alot of bikes and the 96er just has a different feel to it, its great I don't know specifically why, but I don't try to overanalyze or justify it I just know its good and by the looks of the market so do a lot of other people. Ted
Your right, two wheels is all you need be they equal or not.
I ride alot of bikes and the 96er just has a different feel to it, its great I don’t know specifically why, but I don’t try to overanalyze or justify it
I just know its good and by the looks of the market so do a lot of other people.

]]> By: trev http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14972 trev Tue, 08 May 2007 18:53:54 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14972 ha ha, this does make me laugh! 69ers/96ers are here to stay, rebel against anyone who states otherwise, ha ha ha ha, this does make me laugh! 69ers/96ers are here to stay, rebel against anyone who states otherwise, ha ha

]]> By: Thunderlump http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14967 Thunderlump Tue, 08 May 2007 16:50:11 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14967 GT: Im not dissin you, but JHK has run twentyniners the last few races. I ride A 26 and A twentyniner. Not to much difference in the pedaling. Just depends on the race and the trail. Cloxxie: Your hardcore. I think if racers show up at A world cup with two different wheels no one will bat an eye. Perception is reality. People will buy what they feel comfortable riding. If this platform sucks, it will go away. I think it just opens the doors for more riding experience, from the begginer level to the top. GT: Im not dissin you, but JHK has run twentyniners the last few races. I ride A 26 and A twentyniner. Not to much difference in the pedaling. Just depends on the race and the trail.
Cloxxie: Your hardcore. I think if racers show up at A world cup with two different wheels no one will bat an eye.

Perception is reality. People will buy what they feel comfortable riding. If this platform sucks, it will go away. I think it just opens the doors for more riding experience, from the begginer level to the top.

]]> By: Cloxxki http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14965 Cloxxki Tue, 08 May 2007 15:58:01 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14965 With such docs, they're like amendments that go on. If you can find a later doc stating inequal wheels are now okay... ;-) When I get around to it I'll ask the MTB Coordinator at the UCI, Peter Van den Abeele. We speak the same language and have exchanged mails over other affairs. I'm not against 69s as bikes, just question their "point" for general XC riding. I can very well come up with smaller and larger advantages to the concept, but they don't fall in the riding style or trails of more than a very small percentage of "mountainbikers". If someone is saying a 150g lighter rear wheel is a big advantage, I'll challenge that. If someone says it follow through better, I'll challenge that. If it's more fun to ride a harsher rear end, hey! whatever makes you tick, ask Trek if it comes with a whip :-) I'll add that the 69er is the most gorgeous looking stock bike I've seen from a big company in ages. If I'd have one, it would be my most beautiful bike of them all. With the best fork, best rear cog setup, nicest designed and welded frame, etc. Perhaps I am not hard core enough to warrant a 26" rear wheel? With such docs, they’re like amendments that go on. If you can find a later doc stating inequal wheels are now okay… ;-)

When I get around to it I’ll ask the MTB Coordinator at the UCI, Peter Van den Abeele. We speak the same language and have exchanged mails over other affairs.

I’m not against 69s as bikes, just question their “point” for general XC riding. I can very well come up with smaller and larger advantages to the concept, but they don’t fall in the riding style or trails of more than a very small percentage of “mountainbikers”.
If someone is saying a 150g lighter rear wheel is a big advantage, I’ll challenge that. If someone says it follow through better, I’ll challenge that. If it’s more fun to ride a harsher rear end, hey! whatever makes you tick, ask Trek if it comes with a whip :-)

I’ll add that the 69er is the most gorgeous looking stock bike I’ve seen from a big company in ages. If I’d have one, it would be my most beautiful bike of them all. With the best fork, best rear cog setup, nicest designed and welded frame, etc.
Perhaps I am not hard core enough to warrant a 26″ rear wheel?

]]> By: monogodo http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14959 monogodo Tue, 08 May 2007 13:19:44 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14959 "This doc seems very general about it, and not really road-specific : http://www.uci.ch/english/news/news_pre2000/comm_19991003.htm" And it's 7-1/2 years old. “This doc seems very general about it, and not really road-specific : http://www.uci.ch/english/news/news_pre2000/comm_19991003.htm”

And it’s 7-1/2 years old.

]]> By: Guitar Ted http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14956 Guitar Ted Tue, 08 May 2007 12:52:33 +0000 http://twentynineinches.com/2007/05/06/what-is-the-deal-with-those-69ers/#comment-14956 Axeman: While I don't agree with alot of the premises put forth concerning 69ers and I definitely don't agree with the oft heard, "It's the best of both worlds" cliche', I am not against them as a bicycle. All I'm saying is that it's not what they are cracked up to be. Nalax: I am strongly urging Trek to bring their new line up of 69ers to the Ballyhoo. I feel it would be a positive addition to the huge fleet of 29"ers that will be on demo. By the way, Titus will be bringing their entire demo fleet.......including road bikes! (Hey, if it's got two wheels, it's cool, right Axeman?) Axeman: While I don’t agree with alot of the premises put forth concerning 69ers and I definitely don’t agree with the oft heard, “It’s the best of both worlds” cliche’, I am not against them as a bicycle. All I’m saying is that it’s not what they are cracked up to be.

Nalax: I am strongly urging Trek to bring their new line up of 69ers to the Ballyhoo. I feel it would be a positive addition to the huge fleet of 29″ers that will be on demo.

By the way, Titus will be bringing their entire demo fleet…….including road bikes! (Hey, if it’s got two wheels, it’s cool, right Axeman?)

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