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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/03/23/im-so-over-specialized/#comment-39930</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's a 'Specialized'?  o_0</description>
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		<title>By: Rastus</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/03/23/im-so-over-specialized/#comment-34601</link>
		<dc:creator>Rastus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Michael Frank

Madrid, Spain

"Employees of Specialized are incredibly confident. Talk to officials at this 600-person-strong company and they'll tell you straight away that they don't compare themselves to their competition; beating the other guy isn't their goal. Talk to other people in the bike biz and that's not what you get. Instead you hear, "well these guys are bad because of X, and those guys aren't on their game because of Y." The amount of bile in the bike biz would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic. Take a step back and remember: These are bikes, adult toys, about as serious and important to the fate of the universe as the chewing gum stuck to the sole of your shoe."

I think Specialized should do whatever Specialized wants to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Michael Frank</p>
<p>Madrid, Spain</p>
<p>&#8220;Employees of Specialized are incredibly confident. Talk to officials at this 600-person-strong company and they&#8217;ll tell you straight away that they don&#8217;t compare themselves to their competition; beating the other guy isn&#8217;t their goal. Talk to other people in the bike biz and that&#8217;s not what you get. Instead you hear, &#8220;well these guys are bad because of X, and those guys aren&#8217;t on their game because of Y.&#8221; The amount of bile in the bike biz would be laughable if it weren&#8217;t so pathetic. Take a step back and remember: These are bikes, adult toys, about as serious and important to the fate of the universe as the chewing gum stuck to the sole of your shoe.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Specialized should do whatever Specialized wants to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Fear and Jealousy will drive the 650b &#187; Twenty Nine Inches</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/03/23/im-so-over-specialized/#comment-23373</link>
		<dc:creator>Fear and Jealousy will drive the 650b &#187; Twenty Nine Inches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Once 29ers hit big, and it was obvious from the empty store racks, there were plenty of companies scrambling to catch up. So 2007 became the &#8220;year of the 29er&#8221; because everyone started releasing their &#8220;me to&#8221; bikes. These companies ranged from smaller shops just waiting to see if it would pan out before dropping the R&#38;D cash to the bigger houses like Specialized that previously announced that they would never come out with a 29er (and we all know how I feel about that). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Once 29ers hit big, and it was obvious from the empty store racks, there were plenty of companies scrambling to catch up. So 2007 became the &#8220;year of the 29er&#8221; because everyone started releasing their &#8220;me to&#8221; bikes. These companies ranged from smaller shops just waiting to see if it would pan out before dropping the R&#38;D cash to the bigger houses like Specialized that previously announced that they would never come out with a 29er (and we all know how I feel about that). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MG</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/03/23/im-so-over-specialized/#comment-13068</link>
		<dc:creator>MG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Thunderlump... That's good perspective.  Like you, I've been over Specialized and their smug, 'holier than thou' attitude for a long time.  Back in 1990 when I got my start racing mountain bikes, I thought they were the Shiznit because of their incredible race team (Ned, Sara Ballentine, Lisa Muhich, Daryl Price, etc...).  But it's funny.  The deeper I go into the bicycle industry, the less interest I have in what Specialized is doing.  So I think it's safe to say I won't be toeing the start line next season on an Epic-29, or whatever catchy marketing phrase they "invent" to "innovate" in the big wheel mountain bike segment of the market (I love market segmentation...). 

The "Big S" for me is Salsa Cycles.  Their 29ers kick butt, and like Thunder mentions about Kona, the crew at Salsa is genuinely interested in receiving constructive feedback on its frames and components.  It's refreshing to work with a company that understands the concept of customer focus.

Cheers,
MG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Thunderlump&#8230; That&#8217;s good perspective.  Like you, I&#8217;ve been over Specialized and their smug, &#8216;holier than thou&#8217; attitude for a long time.  Back in 1990 when I got my start racing mountain bikes, I thought they were the Shiznit because of their incredible race team (Ned, Sara Ballentine, Lisa Muhich, Daryl Price, etc&#8230;).  But it&#8217;s funny.  The deeper I go into the bicycle industry, the less interest I have in what Specialized is doing.  So I think it&#8217;s safe to say I won&#8217;t be toeing the start line next season on an Epic-29, or whatever catchy marketing phrase they &#8220;invent&#8221; to &#8220;innovate&#8221; in the big wheel mountain bike segment of the market (I love market segmentation&#8230;). </p>
<p>The &#8220;Big S&#8221; for me is Salsa Cycles.  Their 29ers kick butt, and like Thunder mentions about Kona, the crew at Salsa is genuinely interested in receiving constructive feedback on its frames and components.  It&#8217;s refreshing to work with a company that understands the concept of customer focus.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
MG</p>
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		<title>By: Thunderlump</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/03/23/im-so-over-specialized/#comment-13040</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderlump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: My buddy is A Giant Bike Rep here in the southwest, whom has seen me race and do well in Semi-Pro over the last year and A half riding my Kona Unit 2-9.  He has personally lobbied Giant to produce A geared 29er, but with no results; being told twentyniners will go away, and various other comments about twenty niners being A fringe group that wont last.

  On the other hand you have makers like Gary Fisher, Cannondale, Kona, Etc  who try new things, who innovate. These makers I might also add have strong grassroots programs that help little guys like myself get A leg up in the racing world.  
 
  Since getting A grassroots deal through Kona I cant say enough about the support they have given me; they really listen to racer feedback and industry demands. I get asked all of time how I like my twentyniner, and which brands I like. When A sport level rider asks A seasoned racer what he thinks specialized, Im going to tell them the truth.

 The truth is Specialized is jumping the train. I personally dont care for train jumpers, I like inovators who seek input from real people. Thats why I love this site, because I will never ride another twentysix inch wheeled bike again. I love hearing about the new 29er products. I dont like it when the place I go for info is being dissed by Specialized. 

  Ive got your back Tim, ive been over Specialized for years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: My buddy is A Giant Bike Rep here in the southwest, whom has seen me race and do well in Semi-Pro over the last year and A half riding my Kona Unit 2-9.  He has personally lobbied Giant to produce A geared 29er, but with no results; being told twentyniners will go away, and various other comments about twenty niners being A fringe group that wont last.</p>
<p>  On the other hand you have makers like Gary Fisher, Cannondale, Kona, Etc  who try new things, who innovate. These makers I might also add have strong grassroots programs that help little guys like myself get A leg up in the racing world.  </p>
<p>  Since getting A grassroots deal through Kona I cant say enough about the support they have given me; they really listen to racer feedback and industry demands. I get asked all of time how I like my twentyniner, and which brands I like. When A sport level rider asks A seasoned racer what he thinks specialized, Im going to tell them the truth.</p>
<p> The truth is Specialized is jumping the train. I personally dont care for train jumpers, I like inovators who seek input from real people. Thats why I love this site, because I will never ride another twentysix inch wheeled bike again. I love hearing about the new 29er products. I dont like it when the place I go for info is being dissed by Specialized. </p>
<p>  Ive got your back Tim, ive been over Specialized for years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Grahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Grahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me clear up a few things...

First off, I never said it was a &lt;em&gt;bad&lt;/em&gt; thing that Specialized is entering the 29er market, I'm just frustrated with their attitude in doing so.  They're late to the game, why play it up like they are doing this awesome, secretive thing?  Everyone knows they are gonna release big wheels at some point...

PaMtbRider:  Good job on taking one bit of my frustration and focusing on it.  I don't expect a company the size of Specialized to be seeking after me breathlessly, however when there is genuine interest and offers to work together and they are ignored and scoffed at and I am obviously lied to, it's just dumb.  Companies like Gary Fisher, Redline, Cannondale, Bianchi, Raleigh, etc etc all like working with us to varying degrees and have never been as closed off and stuck up as Specialized.  Again the company, that in my opinion, needs some PR help since they already have plenty of egg on their face in the 29er world.  I'm not looking for them to bend over backwards for us, but there's no need to be jackasses about it.

J-Dub:  I've been aware of the Crosstrail, however it is not built to be beat up on singletrack.  It's a "Multi Street" offering from Specialized built for pavement and gravel roads.  Not implying that it can't take a bit more abuse, but it's not billed as a mountain bike and should be used as such carefully.

spanky:  I hear ya and I'm not completely against that strategy.  It's worked before and could very easily work again.  On this point is where I start having problems with the attitude I see coming out of the company.  If you're gonna play piggy back with companies that actually have the guts to try it first, don't swagger around and do your PR like your the greatest thing than sliced bread.  Just release the damn bikes and sell 'em.

Specialized will eventually release their 29ers and I'm sure they'll sell a good many of them as they will probably be well made.  We'll also make sure to cover them here on twentynineinches.com.  The reason I'm still "over" them is their overall smug attitude and haughtiness.  It pisses me off and I think it's bad for the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me clear up a few things&#8230;</p>
<p>First off, I never said it was a <em>bad</em> thing that Specialized is entering the 29er market, I&#8217;m just frustrated with their attitude in doing so.  They&#8217;re late to the game, why play it up like they are doing this awesome, secretive thing?  Everyone knows they are gonna release big wheels at some point&#8230;</p>
<p>PaMtbRider:  Good job on taking one bit of my frustration and focusing on it.  I don&#8217;t expect a company the size of Specialized to be seeking after me breathlessly, however when there is genuine interest and offers to work together and they are ignored and scoffed at and I am obviously lied to, it&#8217;s just dumb.  Companies like Gary Fisher, Redline, Cannondale, Bianchi, Raleigh, etc etc all like working with us to varying degrees and have never been as closed off and stuck up as Specialized.  Again the company, that in my opinion, needs some PR help since they already have plenty of egg on their face in the 29er world.  I&#8217;m not looking for them to bend over backwards for us, but there&#8217;s no need to be jackasses about it.</p>
<p>J-Dub:  I&#8217;ve been aware of the Crosstrail, however it is not built to be beat up on singletrack.  It&#8217;s a &#8220;Multi Street&#8221; offering from Specialized built for pavement and gravel roads.  Not implying that it can&#8217;t take a bit more abuse, but it&#8217;s not billed as a mountain bike and should be used as such carefully.</p>
<p>spanky:  I hear ya and I&#8217;m not completely against that strategy.  It&#8217;s worked before and could very easily work again.  On this point is where I start having problems with the attitude I see coming out of the company.  If you&#8217;re gonna play piggy back with companies that actually have the guts to try it first, don&#8217;t swagger around and do your PR like your the greatest thing than sliced bread.  Just release the damn bikes and sell &#8216;em.</p>
<p>Specialized will eventually release their 29ers and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll sell a good many of them as they will probably be well made.  We&#8217;ll also make sure to cover them here on twentynineinches.com.  The reason I&#8217;m still &#8220;over&#8221; them is their overall smug attitude and haughtiness.  It pisses me off and I think it&#8217;s bad for the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Magroyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Magroyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell is a 29er?</description>
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		<title>By: trainwreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>trainwreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i heard that specialized is threatening to sue any bike company that uses the letter "s" in any of their product names. HAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i heard that specialized is threatening to sue any bike company that uses the letter &#8220;s&#8221; in any of their product names. HAH!</p>
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		<title>By: J-Dub in NC</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2007/03/23/im-so-over-specialized/#comment-12970</link>
		<dc:creator>J-Dub in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My buddy just got a Specialized Crosstrail Pro a month ago for $ 1200. We put a bash ring in place of the 48 ring &#38; put some Specialized Fast Trak LK 29er tires on her (totaling another $ 100). Who said Specialized isn't making a 29er? 

His bike is everybit as trail worthy as my VooDoo Dambala (that I've sunk $ 1800+ buck into). The geometry is good, it handles great in tight single track, the parts spec kills for the money and the fork isn't too bad either. 

Before bitchin' about the "Big-S" disrespecting 29 riders; open your eyes to what they do have to offer. I've been watchin' the dust off the rear tire now for the last two weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My buddy just got a Specialized Crosstrail Pro a month ago for $ 1200. We put a bash ring in place of the 48 ring &amp; put some Specialized Fast Trak LK 29er tires on her (totaling another $ 100). Who said Specialized isn&#8217;t making a 29er? </p>
<p>His bike is everybit as trail worthy as my VooDoo Dambala (that I&#8217;ve sunk $ 1800+ buck into). The geometry is good, it handles great in tight single track, the parts spec kills for the money and the fork isn&#8217;t too bad either. </p>
<p>Before bitchin&#8217; about the &#8220;Big-S&#8221; disrespecting 29 riders; open your eyes to what they do have to offer. I&#8217;ve been watchin&#8217; the dust off the rear tire now for the last two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: spanky</title>
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		<dc:creator>spanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specialized is doing what they are best at being  patient. Then picking what seems to be the best and buying the rights. If they wanted to they could have called the factory in Tiawan and had them start putting the stickers on. They'll wait and see what head angle and fork rake becomes the standard then jump on board. Let everyone else do the R&#38;D. It's alot cheaper than making a mistake and having your bikes become the lame ones no one wants. Let Joe,Tom,&#38;Richard Spend years figuring it out then mass produce and crush the compition. History repeats itself again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specialized is doing what they are best at being  patient. Then picking what seems to be the best and buying the rights. If they wanted to they could have called the factory in Tiawan and had them start putting the stickers on. They&#8217;ll wait and see what head angle and fork rake becomes the standard then jump on board. Let everyone else do the R&amp;D. It&#8217;s alot cheaper than making a mistake and having your bikes become the lame ones no one wants. Let Joe,Tom,&amp;Richard Spend years figuring it out then mass produce and crush the compition. History repeats itself again.</p>
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