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		<title>By: Davidcopperfield</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-36799</link>
		<dc:creator>Davidcopperfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trek and Carver ought to put more powers into proiliferating 29ers instead of silly 96ers. I would rather have a Santa cruz 29er than new 96er ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trek and Carver ought to put more powers into proiliferating 29ers instead of silly 96ers. I would rather have a Santa cruz 29er than new 96er ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Axeman</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4618</link>
		<dc:creator>Axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote guitar Ted;  I did point out that Michael had convinced me of
one situation where 96ers are better. Perhaps you did not
read that. Quote

1. And what was that? I've read it a few times and can't quite make it out.(now thats sarcasm!)

2. As i thought Michael was echoing the same theme as most others here.

Quote; I never said I was a â€śfair and unbiased voice of reason on
all things mtbâ€?, you did. Quote

3. Correct.. I did as this was my impression of your work and reporting on the web.

Quote; And finally: Your doubt that anything I print or report on in
the future will hold any credibility supports the very quote
of mine that you used in your post. Excepting that itâ€™s not
sarcasm at that point, but rather the truth. Assuming that
it was sarcasm, which it wasnâ€™t by the way. You are certainly
free to your opinions.quote

4. I don't understand this at all..... my head hurts (attempted humour to lighten the tension)

Hey Ted if I have offended you in any way I am sincerely sorry, I was trying to point out your bias on this subject.

Ride more Talk less
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote guitar Ted;  I did point out that Michael had convinced me of<br />
one situation where 96ers are better. Perhaps you did not<br />
read that. Quote</p>
<p>1. And what was that? I&#8217;ve read it a few times and can&#8217;t quite make it out.(now thats sarcasm!)</p>
<p>2. As i thought Michael was echoing the same theme as most others here.</p>
<p>Quote; I never said I was a â€śfair and unbiased voice of reason on<br />
all things mtbâ€?, you did. Quote</p>
<p>3. Correct.. I did as this was my impression of your work and reporting on the web.</p>
<p>Quote; And finally: Your doubt that anything I print or report on in<br />
the future will hold any credibility supports the very quote<br />
of mine that you used in your post. Excepting that itâ€™s not<br />
sarcasm at that point, but rather the truth. Assuming that<br />
it was sarcasm, which it wasnâ€™t by the way. You are certainly<br />
free to your opinions.quote</p>
<p>4. I don&#8217;t understand this at all&#8230;.. my head hurts (attempted humour to lighten the tension)</p>
<p>Hey Ted if I have offended you in any way I am sincerely sorry, I was trying to point out your bias on this subject.</p>
<p>Ride more Talk less<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4613</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axeman: 1. I don't believe for a second that you were sorry to post that.
              2. I never said I was a "fair and unbiased voice of reason on  
                  all things mtb", you did. I am certainly biased, ( I like 
                  29"ers) and most certainly not fair in everyones eyes.
                  (to wit: yourself) I do not appologize for that. At least
                  you know where I'm coming from. I can't say that for a lot 
                  of people. 
              3. Certainly you are not going to "shake the chip" on my 
                  shoulder, as you say, since you haven't brought any
                  convincing arguments to support your posistion. As for
                  others, I did point out that Michael had convinced me of
                  one situation where 96ers are better. Perhaps you did not
                  read that.
             4. And finally: Your doubt that anything I print or report on in 
                 the future will hold any credibility supports the very quote 
                 of mine that you used in your post. Excepting that it's not
                 sarcasm at that point, but rather the truth. Assuming that
                 it was sarcasm, which it wasn't by the way. You are certainly
                 free to your opinions.

             "Ride more talk less".......Likewise!
              Guitar Ted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axeman: 1. I don&#8217;t believe for a second that you were sorry to post that.<br />
              2. I never said I was a &#8220;fair and unbiased voice of reason on<br />
                  all things mtb&#8221;, you did. I am certainly biased, ( I like<br />
                  29&#8243;ers) and most certainly not fair in everyones eyes.<br />
                  (to wit: yourself) I do not appologize for that. At least<br />
                  you know where I&#8217;m coming from. I can&#8217;t say that for a lot<br />
                  of people.<br />
              3. Certainly you are not going to &#8220;shake the chip&#8221; on my<br />
                  shoulder, as you say, since you haven&#8217;t brought any<br />
                  convincing arguments to support your posistion. As for<br />
                  others, I did point out that Michael had convinced me of<br />
                  one situation where 96ers are better. Perhaps you did not<br />
                  read that.<br />
             4. And finally: Your doubt that anything I print or report on in<br />
                 the future will hold any credibility supports the very quote<br />
                 of mine that you used in your post. Excepting that it&#8217;s not<br />
                 sarcasm at that point, but rather the truth. Assuming that<br />
                 it was sarcasm, which it wasn&#8217;t by the way. You are certainly<br />
                 free to your opinions.</p>
<p>             &#8220;Ride more talk less&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.Likewise!<br />
              Guitar Ted</p>
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		<title>By: Axeman</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4610</link>
		<dc:creator>Axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quitar Ted Quote; Axeman: So, you wonâ€™t be convinced until I have ridden one, eh? Well, that can be arranged. I highly doubt that you will then accept my points any better than today, however.;quote

I'm sorry to say this Ted but with one statement you have in my eyes ruined your reputation for being a fair and unbaised voice of reason on all things MTB.I don't think anyone can shake the chip on your shoulder that you have with this concept and it makes me wonder if anything you print or report on in the future will hold any credability.
Your level of sarcasm in the last post pretty well sums that up!!!!

Ride more talk less
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quitar Ted Quote; Axeman: So, you wonâ€™t be convinced until I have ridden one, eh? Well, that can be arranged. I highly doubt that you will then accept my points any better than today, however.;quote</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say this Ted but with one statement you have in my eyes ruined your reputation for being a fair and unbaised voice of reason on all things MTB.I don&#8217;t think anyone can shake the chip on your shoulder that you have with this concept and it makes me wonder if anything you print or report on in the future will hold any credability.<br />
Your level of sarcasm in the last post pretty well sums that up!!!!</p>
<p>Ride more talk less<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4554</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael: Hey, thanks for chiming in here Michael. It's good to see you commenting here and I hope you feel free to join in any time.

Good points here and may I say, you are the only person that I have ever seen comment on this issue with a reasoned and well thought out appologetic for the "96er" concept. 

You ask," So why is it so hard for most to accept that this 29/26 might offer an exceptional ride to a particular individual?" Well, it isn't hard at all to say that, at least for me. I will say that in general, I don't think it's a good idea, (96ers), and most folks who think that a 29"er front wheel is awesome will really love the rear wheel as a 29 incher if they tried it. My opinion. Yes, and it is subjective, but that's what I believe. I never, ever thought it would "end the argument", as you say. (To wit: this thread) But as you also said, "I love this conversation. I love this argument....". I just ask a simple question about the 26 inch rear wheel and that's just a way to find out if there are any other reasonable, well thought out responses out there. So far, I've been disappointed, with the exception of you, Michael.

 If I don't ask, I don't learn. The conversation is a way to bring about debate for the purpose of gaining new insights and knowledge. At least, that's the way I see it. Don't you agree? Isn't that why we "love the conversation...the argument..."? 

But I also agree, they are bikes, plain and simple. And if I had to ride a 96er for awhile, I'd still have fun, and I'd still ride as much or more than I do now. We are spoiled, really, and in the end, we have to look at all of this as being rather selfish and silly when you take it all in the proper perspective. 

Thanks again, Michael. Hope to hear again from you soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael: Hey, thanks for chiming in here Michael. It&#8217;s good to see you commenting here and I hope you feel free to join in any time.</p>
<p>Good points here and may I say, you are the only person that I have ever seen comment on this issue with a reasoned and well thought out appologetic for the &#8220;96er&#8221; concept. </p>
<p>You ask,&#8221; So why is it so hard for most to accept that this 29/26 might offer an exceptional ride to a particular individual?&#8221; Well, it isn&#8217;t hard at all to say that, at least for me. I will say that in general, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea, (96ers), and most folks who think that a 29&#8243;er front wheel is awesome will really love the rear wheel as a 29 incher if they tried it. My opinion. Yes, and it is subjective, but that&#8217;s what I believe. I never, ever thought it would &#8220;end the argument&#8221;, as you say. (To wit: this thread) But as you also said, &#8220;I love this conversation. I love this argument&#8230;.&#8221;. I just ask a simple question about the 26 inch rear wheel and that&#8217;s just a way to find out if there are any other reasonable, well thought out responses out there. So far, I&#8217;ve been disappointed, with the exception of you, Michael.</p>
<p> If I don&#8217;t ask, I don&#8217;t learn. The conversation is a way to bring about debate for the purpose of gaining new insights and knowledge. At least, that&#8217;s the way I see it. Don&#8217;t you agree? Isn&#8217;t that why we &#8220;love the conversation&#8230;the argument&#8230;&#8221;? </p>
<p>But I also agree, they are bikes, plain and simple. And if I had to ride a 96er for awhile, I&#8217;d still have fun, and I&#8217;d still ride as much or more than I do now. We are spoiled, really, and in the end, we have to look at all of this as being rather selfish and silly when you take it all in the proper perspective. </p>
<p>Thanks again, Michael. Hope to hear again from you soon!</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4551</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the show here people. Sorry about that...

I love this conversation. I love this argument, and I love the fact that every single time it comes up,  Cloxxi is here with science, and any other 29er Kool-Aid drinkers are there en tandem, saying, "Show me the money!"

Let's think about all this in a different way for just ONE second (alright, let's shoot for more like a minute)...

Has anyone ever considered the RIDER? We're talking about equipment endlessly, but has anyone considered that a person who spends the majority of his/her time on a 29er will feel most comfortable on a 29er? The same goes for the 26er rider.

I've seen many an individual adapt easily to a full 29er. I've also seen some struggle with the changes in center of balance or BB height or bike length or whatever other difference comes with the change in wheel size.

So why is it so hard for most  to accept that this 29/26 might offer an exceptional ride to a particular individual?

I'll put it this way: I've ridden nearly every tire on the market. I know each tire offers a little advantage in a given situation. But I also know that the way a seasoned veteran makes a given tire perform is drastically different  than the way a newbie makes the tire perform. 

Will Cloxxki and I agree on which tire to select for a given situation? I doubt it. Why? Because like all gear, tires come down to preference, experience and comfort more so than science. (shameless plug here...) That's the reason Dirt Rag reviews get an author credit, written by someone readers are familiar with. Readers get personal with our authors and understand more than just a single review. They understand what that author likes in/on a given climate, terrain or bike choice...

But back to the 29/26...Think about it like this:

this isn't auto racing where our engines and test tracks are exactly the same. This is the bicycle we're talking about, where so much is highly subjective. And that's why we all need to approach new concepts with an open mind, each time we try them. And consider that, no matter how much we'd like our opinions to be the end of the argument, they're simply opinions. Everyone's got them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the show here people. Sorry about that&#8230;</p>
<p>I love this conversation. I love this argument, and I love the fact that every single time it comes up,  Cloxxi is here with science, and any other 29er Kool-Aid drinkers are there en tandem, saying, &#8220;Show me the money!&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think about all this in a different way for just ONE second (alright, let&#8217;s shoot for more like a minute)&#8230;</p>
<p>Has anyone ever considered the RIDER? We&#8217;re talking about equipment endlessly, but has anyone considered that a person who spends the majority of his/her time on a 29er will feel most comfortable on a 29er? The same goes for the 26er rider.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen many an individual adapt easily to a full 29er. I&#8217;ve also seen some struggle with the changes in center of balance or BB height or bike length or whatever other difference comes with the change in wheel size.</p>
<p>So why is it so hard for most  to accept that this 29/26 might offer an exceptional ride to a particular individual?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put it this way: I&#8217;ve ridden nearly every tire on the market. I know each tire offers a little advantage in a given situation. But I also know that the way a seasoned veteran makes a given tire perform is drastically different  than the way a newbie makes the tire perform. </p>
<p>Will Cloxxki and I agree on which tire to select for a given situation? I doubt it. Why? Because like all gear, tires come down to preference, experience and comfort more so than science. (shameless plug here&#8230;) That&#8217;s the reason Dirt Rag reviews get an author credit, written by someone readers are familiar with. Readers get personal with our authors and understand more than just a single review. They understand what that author likes in/on a given climate, terrain or bike choice&#8230;</p>
<p>But back to the 29/26&#8230;Think about it like this:</p>
<p>this isn&#8217;t auto racing where our engines and test tracks are exactly the same. This is the bicycle we&#8217;re talking about, where so much is highly subjective. And that&#8217;s why we all need to approach new concepts with an open mind, each time we try them. And consider that, no matter how much we&#8217;d like our opinions to be the end of the argument, they&#8217;re simply opinions. Everyone&#8217;s got them.</p>
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		<title>By: NoWay Ray</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4537</link>
		<dc:creator>NoWay Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest difference I find between my 26 and 29" bikes, is the extra stability with the 29er wheels, does just adding a 29er front wheel add to the feeling of stability? No it doesn't get around the issues of having the smaller rear wheel, but does it improve the overall way the bike handles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest difference I find between my 26 and 29&#8243; bikes, is the extra stability with the 29er wheels, does just adding a 29er front wheel add to the feeling of stability? No it doesn&#8217;t get around the issues of having the smaller rear wheel, but does it improve the overall way the bike handles?</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar Ted</title>
		<link>http://twentynineinches.com/2006/11/06/2926-hybrid-update/#comment-4499</link>
		<dc:creator>Guitar Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blankety-blank: Quote{A good bike handler can make a 65deg HA DH rig corner as quickly as Joe Sixpack makes his â€śNORBA XCâ€? 72deg HA rig corner.}

Okay, so why aren't we seeing these geometry numbers in the pro XC ranks then? I'm guessing there is a good reason for that, perhaps? (Hint: yes, there is a good reason for that)

Axeman: So, you won't be convinced until I have ridden one, eh? Well, that can be arranged. I highly doubt that you will then accept my points any better than today, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blankety-blank: Quote{A good bike handler can make a 65deg HA DH rig corner as quickly as Joe Sixpack makes his â€śNORBA XCâ€? 72deg HA rig corner.}</p>
<p>Okay, so why aren&#8217;t we seeing these geometry numbers in the pro XC ranks then? I&#8217;m guessing there is a good reason for that, perhaps? (Hint: yes, there is a good reason for that)</p>
<p>Axeman: So, you won&#8217;t be convinced until I have ridden one, eh? Well, that can be arranged. I highly doubt that you will then accept my points any better than today, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Axeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back onto the topic of theCarver 96er and its performance
Surely theres more than Tim and I that have ACTUALLY riden one and can comment on its performance?
I just love comments from people generalising about things THAT THEY HAVEN"T RIDEN, backed up with hours of techno babble and physics theories they have't even tried to prove.
Just check out the MTBR thread on 96ers theres alot of people out ther experimenting with the idea, MBA built one with Titus, Travis Browne, trek, dirt rag liked it. 
I'd say its gaining some momentum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back onto the topic of theCarver 96er and its performance<br />
Surely theres more than Tim and I that have ACTUALLY riden one and can comment on its performance?<br />
I just love comments from people generalising about things THAT THEY HAVEN&#8221;T RIDEN, backed up with hours of techno babble and physics theories they have&#8217;t even tried to prove.<br />
Just check out the MTBR thread on 96ers theres alot of people out ther experimenting with the idea, MBA built one with Titus, Travis Browne, trek, dirt rag liked it.<br />
I&#8217;d say its gaining some momentum</p>
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		<title>By: swedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>swedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok with all this said and done, why stop at 29" why not 35? then all the 29s will suck.. for the same reasons the 26" wheels suck now. *L* as for why women dont ride 29ers, well they are generally smaller, IMHO 29ers are a great match for the over 6' crowd. As for crank length, i run 180mm cranks, i too am a Stroker, it alows me to Torque up the hills. as for the 96er, if it was so great why not make a 69er? for the new "UPHILL" class of races, cause anybody can go down hill fast!!  *L*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok with all this said and done, why stop at 29&#8243; why not 35? then all the 29s will suck.. for the same reasons the 26&#8243; wheels suck now. *L* as for why women dont ride 29ers, well they are generally smaller, IMHO 29ers are a great match for the over 6&#8242; crowd. As for crank length, i run 180mm cranks, i too am a Stroker, it alows me to Torque up the hills. as for the 96er, if it was so great why not make a 69er? for the new &#8220;UPHILL&#8221; class of races, cause anybody can go down hill fast!!  *L*</p>
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